Recall with deletes
07-04-2015, 12:57 PM
#1
Recall with deletes
If you have the DPF/NOx absorber, the full EGR & cooler, and throttle valve deletes done, as well as an EGT probe in the exhaust manifold... and you get the Takata airbag recall in the mail literally the next day, is it possible to avoid putting it all back on to get it worked on at the dealer?
Is it possible to get to the dealer, uninstall the RaceMe/Smarty tune in the parking lot, and let them do the repair without causing any major problems?
Is it possible to get to the dealer, uninstall the RaceMe/Smarty tune in the parking lot, and let them do the repair without causing any major problems?
07-09-2015, 12:59 PM
#3
Recall with deletes
Thanks. I haven't asked yet since the parts for the recall are back ordered anyway.
I am just worried about the technician flashing the ECM -- even if I tell them not to, I can see it happening.
I am thinking about putting the stock tune back on before I hand them the keys, but I don't know if that's gonna cause any issues.
I am just worried about the technician flashing the ECM -- even if I tell them not to, I can see it happening.
I am thinking about putting the stock tune back on before I hand them the keys, but I don't know if that's gonna cause any issues.
07-09-2015, 05:13 PM
#4
"California Style"
I've got to put my junk back on to pass emmissions testing so I will bring mine in after... Last time I checked the recall stuff was back ordered too. I have two now the tie rods and now air bag.
06-26-2016, 02:41 PM
#5
I just got around to looking at the Takata airbag replacement procedure (the R25 recall from last year). The last step requires the technician to verify the system is functional by accomplishing a test with the wiTech scan tool. From reading on here, any time a technician plugs in a scan tool, they perform an ECM flash.
Now, if you are deleted and have installed the RaceMe/Smarty/etc ECM software, there will be be obvious problems.
Here's the verbiage form the recall procedure. It doesn't say they MUST flash the ECM, but I've heard from reading on here it's standard procedure for the technicians to flash the ECM to the latest software.
Has anyone gotten this recall done while still deleted. In other words, were you able to have the dealership's technician accomplish the Verification Test (below) and NOT flash your ECM in the process?
D. Supplemental Restraint System (SRS) Verification Test
NOTE : During the following test, the negative battery cable remains disconnected and isolated during steps 1 and 2 of the Supplemental Restraint System (SRS) Verification Test.
NOTE : The wiTECH scan tool must be used to perform this recall. This procedure must be performed with software release level 15.04 or higher.
1. Connect the wiTECH VCI pod to the vehicle data link connector located under the steering column.
2. Turn the ignition switch to the "ON" position and exit the vehicle and close the doors.
3. Check to be certain that nobody is in the vehicle, then connect the battery negative cable(s).
4. Open the wiTECH Diagnostic application.
5. Starting at the "Select Tool" screen, select the row/tool for the wiPOD device you are using, then select "Next".
6. Enter your "User id" and "Password", then select "Finish".
NOTE : If wiTECH is unable to identify the connected vehicle, click on the Launch DRB III button and use the DRB III Emulator tool.
7. Clear all DTC's in all modules using either the wiTECH or the DRB III mode.
NOTE : Any active Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC's) may require an additional key cycle from "ON" to "OFF" to change DTC status from "active" to "stored".
8. Turn the ignition switch to the "OFF" position for about 15 seconds, and then back to the "ON" position. Observe the airbag indicator in the instrument cluster.
> The airbag indicator in the instrument cluster should illuminate for six to eight seconds, and then go out. This indicates that the SRS is functioning normally and that the repairs are complete. Turn the ignition to the "OFF" position, remove the wiPOD and return the vehicle to the customer.
> If the airbag indicator fails to light or the light and stays ON, there is still an active SRS fault or malfunction. Refer to the appropriate diagnostic information to diagnose the problem.
9. Close the hood, remove the wiTECH VCI pod.
10. Use the Parts Return procedure to return the original inflator kit.
11. Return the vehicle to the customer.
Now, if you are deleted and have installed the RaceMe/Smarty/etc ECM software, there will be be obvious problems.
Here's the verbiage form the recall procedure. It doesn't say they MUST flash the ECM, but I've heard from reading on here it's standard procedure for the technicians to flash the ECM to the latest software.
Has anyone gotten this recall done while still deleted. In other words, were you able to have the dealership's technician accomplish the Verification Test (below) and NOT flash your ECM in the process?
D. Supplemental Restraint System (SRS) Verification Test
NOTE : During the following test, the negative battery cable remains disconnected and isolated during steps 1 and 2 of the Supplemental Restraint System (SRS) Verification Test.
NOTE : The wiTECH scan tool must be used to perform this recall. This procedure must be performed with software release level 15.04 or higher.
1. Connect the wiTECH VCI pod to the vehicle data link connector located under the steering column.
2. Turn the ignition switch to the "ON" position and exit the vehicle and close the doors.
3. Check to be certain that nobody is in the vehicle, then connect the battery negative cable(s).
4. Open the wiTECH Diagnostic application.
5. Starting at the "Select Tool" screen, select the row/tool for the wiPOD device you are using, then select "Next".
6. Enter your "User id" and "Password", then select "Finish".
NOTE : If wiTECH is unable to identify the connected vehicle, click on the Launch DRB III button and use the DRB III Emulator tool.
7. Clear all DTC's in all modules using either the wiTECH or the DRB III mode.
NOTE : Any active Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC's) may require an additional key cycle from "ON" to "OFF" to change DTC status from "active" to "stored".
8. Turn the ignition switch to the "OFF" position for about 15 seconds, and then back to the "ON" position. Observe the airbag indicator in the instrument cluster.
> The airbag indicator in the instrument cluster should illuminate for six to eight seconds, and then go out. This indicates that the SRS is functioning normally and that the repairs are complete. Turn the ignition to the "OFF" position, remove the wiPOD and return the vehicle to the customer.
> If the airbag indicator fails to light or the light and stays ON, there is still an active SRS fault or malfunction. Refer to the appropriate diagnostic information to diagnose the problem.
9. Close the hood, remove the wiTECH VCI pod.
10. Use the Parts Return procedure to return the original inflator kit.
11. Return the vehicle to the customer.
06-26-2016, 03:12 PM
#6
Registered User
I had mine done shortly after deleting (I waited and waited but never got the call) and didn't have any problems.
BUT, I placed a large zip tie around the obd port, attached a pic of it to the workorder and made sure there was wording added stating "do not flash ECM without owners permission".
Service writer was reluctant to add the wording but I insisted stating they would be buying me a new tuner if it was flashed. He added it and that was it. No problems except for some notoriety when I picked it up. Everyone knew I was the guy who wouldn't let them flash the ECM.
No biggie, I got the recall and kept my tune.
Win-win...
BUT, I placed a large zip tie around the obd port, attached a pic of it to the workorder and made sure there was wording added stating "do not flash ECM without owners permission".
Service writer was reluctant to add the wording but I insisted stating they would be buying me a new tuner if it was flashed. He added it and that was it. No problems except for some notoriety when I picked it up. Everyone knew I was the guy who wouldn't let them flash the ECM.
No biggie, I got the recall and kept my tune.
Win-win...
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06-26-2016, 05:37 PM
#8
Registered User
I was put on the recall list at the dealer in August thinking I'd do it before the deletes. I got tired of waiting at Xmas and did them just before a planned trip in January.
I have no idea whether they did the test or not.
I have no idea whether they did the test or not.
06-27-2016, 10:09 AM
#10
Registered User
The ziptie is just added insurance and the picture makes them aware of it. Removing the ziptie to flash the ecm requires a conscious decision and coupled with the wording on the workorder puts the liability on them and they don't want to risk a $1000.00 tuner liability.
There's some that would say all this is overkill but I've seen threads about dealers that remove the ziptie or other obd protectors like the "do not flash" covers and flashing the ecm without the owners permission.
Being retired and on a fixed income I don't feel shifting the costs of poor customer service to the dealer is a bad thing.
There's some that would say all this is overkill but I've seen threads about dealers that remove the ziptie or other obd protectors like the "do not flash" covers and flashing the ecm without the owners permission.
Being retired and on a fixed income I don't feel shifting the costs of poor customer service to the dealer is a bad thing.
07-09-2016, 07:54 PM
#13
So I literally just got back from the dealer. Before I went, I called around and talked to a couple different local dealers until I got one that knew exactly what i was trying to avoid. I was lucky enough to find one that services a lot of Deleted jeeps and trucks.
Anyway, I took xcc_rider's advice: zip tie the Edge plug into the OBD2 port, then wrapped the whole plug in a piece of paper with a "Do Not Delete" note. I also put a note on the steering wheel, then another on the driver's window. Plus, I added it to the work order, and attached a photo of the zip tie like xcc_rider said.
Since the dealership was well aware of what I was trying to avoid, I may have went overboard, but the cost vs benefit was worth it. I can't imagine trying to get the vehicle home had they flashed it.
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Scubanero, have you run into any issues since you did that? Either when they had it or after you put the correct software back on the ECM? I almost did that at first but didn't want to learn any mistakes the hard way.
Anyway, I took xcc_rider's advice: zip tie the Edge plug into the OBD2 port, then wrapped the whole plug in a piece of paper with a "Do Not Delete" note. I also put a note on the steering wheel, then another on the driver's window. Plus, I added it to the work order, and attached a photo of the zip tie like xcc_rider said.
Since the dealership was well aware of what I was trying to avoid, I may have went overboard, but the cost vs benefit was worth it. I can't imagine trying to get the vehicle home had they flashed it.
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Scubanero, have you run into any issues since you did that? Either when they had it or after you put the correct software back on the ECM? I almost did that at first but didn't want to learn any mistakes the hard way.
07-09-2016, 08:22 PM
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Scubanero, have you run into any issues since you did that? Either when they had it or after you put the correct software back on the ECM? I almost did that at first but didn't want to learn any mistakes the hard way.[/QUOTE]
It threw codes for the missing DP temperature sensors and the unplugged intake valve, but they went away as soon as I re-installed the Smarty. Still running like a hound.
Scubanero, have you run into any issues since you did that? Either when they had it or after you put the correct software back on the ECM? I almost did that at first but didn't want to learn any mistakes the hard way.[/QUOTE]
It threw codes for the missing DP temperature sensors and the unplugged intake valve, but they went away as soon as I re-installed the Smarty. Still running like a hound.