Ok I will ask: What in the ____ is " hydro cracking? I assume it is a process by which they make diesel but how does it work? Discovery channel needs to do a show on it.

 

Cummins and other engine manufacturers would prefer to not have the EPA telling them what to do.

Are you really blaming this on Cummins and other OEM's or the real culprit (EPA), who want better fuel economy while at the same time shoving tighter emissions standards down the throats of the OEM's.

I do agree that no one will be buying diesel anything if the cost of fuel continues to be so skewed towards gasoline.

Oh yeah, and Exxon broke the all time record for profits by any company EVER in 2007.

 

Yeah, but isn't the hydro cracking process the one which removes most of the lubricity from the final fuel?? I think I read somewhere that it was the cheapest way to make diesel but then they have to put additives back in for lubricity and such. The distributers have to put the additives in before they deliver it to the stations and that's what worries me!!

 

They'll sell a few trucks, but the first thing that comes out of anyone mouth when I get on the topic of my diesel, is holly cr**p what you have to pay for fuel. With all the emission stuff that's going to be on the new one's with the price of diesel fuel what it is, i wouldn't buy a diesel car either. When you tells folks your getting better mileage, they just say yeah, but $4.00 bucks a gallon. So I think most folks aren't so sure about diesels in this country yet, and at $4 a gal ,it's not the right time to try and introduce them to a diesel I think. At least I hope not, did someone say $5 a gallon.

 

I also read today the the big three are bracing for the worst sales year in a decade. I guess the used truck market will have alot of inventory to pick from with all the people who bought a diesel as a fad who will trade them off on a more fuel efficient car. I personally am watching closely as I need a dually instead of the F250 I have now.

 

All of this discussion reminds me of when I tell someone how large the fuel tank is on my Excursion. My God, it must cost you $150 to fill up! Yes it does. But you stop to fill up your truck 3 times for my one. It doesn't matter if the tank is 1000 gallons, it's all about the mileage...

To the common folk, they see diesel price per gallon higher than gas and say I'm glad I don't own one.

Me on the other hand, I like to spill alittle of the $4 / gallon diesel on my clothes so I can smell it all day.

 

Y'all don't have much oil left stateside! Thats why you're dependant on foreign oil in the first place. The US has more refining capacity than anywhere else in the world, they just need to keep feeding the machine....

 

This would be the process where crude oil is converted to diesel(Medium/light straight run vacuum gas oil) in a catalyst filled reactor vessel at 10,000+ kPa and 500 degrees C. The trick is the addition of copious amounts of hydrogen , which converts even the waste carbon into product(little to no Coke ).Also called Hydo Conversion.

 

That's funny, I don't care who you are!! Hey maybe that's an idea!! Eau de Diesel cologne, for us old diesel heads who just love the smell of diesel in the morning!! At today's diesel prices it could go up against some of those other high priced colognes.

 

It is always good to add a little Howes or Powerservice at all times so you don't have to worry

The way the United States refines oil we get about 10% diesel vrs 35% gas. Hydro Cracking, you get about 25% diesel to 25% gas. Europe uses this process.

 

Nay nay, additives are on the no no list for the 6.7L. Been there done that. I like the little yellow CEL OUT instead of in my face all night.

 

I don't think diesels will flop as they have in the past. There was a time where I'd drive for months and not see another diesel ram on the road. Now I see them all the time: on the road and on TV.

Diesels are more efficient, last longer, and offer more options for alternative "non-petroleum" based fuels. They make too much sense, how could they not catch on.

There will be some growing pains for a while, but the diesel could spawn an agricultural revival as well as independence from foreign oil.

....I think diesel engines are a more practical answer to the future energy needs than hydrogen fuel cells. Locomotives, quarry trucks, ships, and bus's have all used diesel/electric since before I was born. It just takes the masses a little longer to catch on - and you need a sexy name like "hybrid" to market this technology to the masses. I think the diesel/electric is the way of the future. Look at gas motors that are now doing direct injection... I like Chrysler's decision to offer more light duty diesels.

 

So what does a guy run in artic weather straight #1?? Kiss your injectors by by

 

Yes, we have goood refining capacity-- but not relative to demand.

Our refining capacity is slightly more than the next biggest country, but our demand is WAY more than the next thirstiest country.

Net result: a refining capacity inadequate to the task of feeding the thirstiest (and most productive) country on the planet.

jh

 

What about urea injection once 2010 roles around, how many people are gonna want to have to fill a tank with engineered pee? Cummins is smart to stay away from that at all cost.