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Old Jul 18, 2008 | 04:45 PM
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Unhappy Help! Troubling Oil Analysis

Just got my first oil analysis from Blackstone - what do you guys make of this?



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MICHAEL: Lower end wear was well above average in the first sample from your 3500. The high iron,
copper, and lead all point to excess wear at the bearings, the heart of your engine. With just 7,000 km on
the oil it certainly wasn't run too long. Universal averages are based on an oil run of ~10,700 km for the
5.9L. No harmful contaminants were found that would have caused the excess wear. The viscosity read in
the 15W/40 range. The TBN read 4.8 so you had plenty of active additive remaining. 1.0 is low. Check
back in 5,000 km to monitor.
The truck has done no heavy hauling and has been well maintained, so I don't know why the bearings would be wearing. The comments mentioned that no harmfull contaminants were found, so what's going on with my motor ??

Could this be due to a bad sample? If the tech forgot to take a mid-stream sample and just pulled it out of the bucket afterwards could that account for the high levels?

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Old Jul 18, 2008 | 06:52 PM
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My second question is, if the sample was good and the analysis is correct, how big of a job is it to replace the bearings? Is it dooable or is my motor essentially toast?
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Old Jul 18, 2008 | 06:57 PM
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That is a little troubling....but my advice is to take your own samples. There is a proper way to take them. I think there may be a possibility that there was some tech error, but there are other factors. What kind of oil and filter did you use? Was there any work done on the engine during that interval? Did you run the oil level low? Did you make a sudden change to a different oil?
Has the oil been changed?
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Old Jul 18, 2008 | 07:06 PM
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I'm embarrased to say I don't know the type of oil and filter - I have it done at my local shop. The intervals are around 7000km (~4350 miles). I haven't had any engine work done and the oil level never really changes.

I'll be taking it back in at the end of the month and I'll supervise the sample taking this time.
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Old Jul 19, 2008 | 01:48 AM
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Take the sample from the dipstick tube while the engine is still hot. You can get the pump, line, and bottles from a local cat dealer. They usually keep them in stock I don't recall the price but I think it was $46 for the last little pump I bought. We do oil analysis before we have the oil changed to extend our drain intervals.
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Old Jul 19, 2008 | 07:00 AM
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That is a little alarming...

If the crank and rod bearings really are wearing out, I'd think that would call for a full rebuild, or crate engine, but I don't think I'd loose any sleep until I got the next report back.

What oil are you using?
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Old Jul 19, 2008 | 07:49 AM
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This was mine, but after changing my oil at 13,000 miles (20,900Km) for your reference.
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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 04:04 AM
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Running chips in advance timing mode puts extreme pressure on pistons as they cross TDC. This in turn causes cyl wear (iron) and bearing wear(copper/lead) to result. Don't have so much fun!!!!!
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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 07:43 AM
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Since you did not take the sample, take it for what it is worth, a sample of unknown oil. Pull a sample yourself and send it in, if the results are the same then it is time to worry. Who knows where the oil came from, he may have forgot to pull a sample and grabbed a sample from who knows where.

It is possible that you are experiencing excessive wear but even in that case a second sample is a must to confirm, and be sure to pull it yourself. There are several trucks running around with severe mods and high mileage and no excessive wear, so re-sample and sleep good until those results come back.

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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by dozer12216
Running chips in advance timing mode puts extreme pressure on pistons as they cross TDC. This in turn causes cyl wear (iron) and bearing wear(copper/lead) to result. Don't have so much fun!!!!!
What is advance timing mode - is that active with the Smarty JR or the pressure box I'm running?

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re-sample and sleep good until those results come back.
Good advice, thanks Seeder.
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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 10:58 AM
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Advanced timing mode would be running the odd # sw on Smarty that adds additional timing. I wouldn't say it was an issue unles you are running higher levels constantly.
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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by rip 112
Advanced timing mode would be running the odd # sw on Smarty that adds additional timing. I wouldn't say it was an issue unles you are running higher levels constantly.
Does that apply to Smarty JR? There are only 3 levels on the JR.
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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dozer12216
Running chips in advance timing mode puts extreme pressure on pistons as they cross TDC. This in turn causes cyl wear (iron) and bearing wear(copper/lead) to result. Don't have so much fun!!!!!
The CR engines have retarded timing for emission reasons. Most programmers and or boxes bring back the timing to where it should be. Heck, the 12v's are probably running more timing than these programmers/boxes can produce.

I'm inclined to believe it's either a botched sample collection or the wrong oil is being used.

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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeyT
Just got my first oil analysis from Blackstone - what do you guys make of this?





The truck has done no heavy hauling and has been well maintained, so I don't know why the bearings would be wearing. The comments mentioned that no harmfull contaminants were found, so what's going on with my motor ??

Could this be due to a bad sample? If the tech forgot to take a mid-stream sample and just pulled it out of the bucket afterwards could that account for the high levels?

Here's a linked thumbnail for the full-sized image.

If you are anywhere around Calgary, Come over to my place and I will show you how to take a sample. I do my own and send em off to Blackstone so I am pro at it.
Here's a linked thumbnail for the full-sized image.
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Old Jul 20, 2008 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by rip 112
Advanced timing mode would be running the odd # sw on Smarty that adds additional timing. I wouldn't say it was an issue unles you are running higher levels constantly.
I have been runing SW#3 for 15k now with an OA at 14K no problems at all.
In fact I will be right on par with my 25K oil change in October.
I agree with our timing being too far retarded to begin with.
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