Oil Filter
04-13-2010, 02:06 PM
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Purolater claims that the Pure One oil filters filter at 20 Micron absolute. Below is what I got from them when asking about the Pure One oil filter I use on the wife's car.
{The PureOne filters are rated at 99.9% efficient at 20 microns.
The performance testing is based on the PL30001 filter. As stated on our packaging. The number we use 99.9% at 20 microns is absolute.
Filters are typically reported in the filter industry with nominal ratings. That
is, at the filters 50% efficiency. An absolute micron rating is typically stated at 98.7%.}
I noticed lower RPM's after switching from 5W40 to Amsoil 5w30 HDD synthetic oil at 70 MPH. A day or 2 after I changed I noticed that my tachometer showed the engine running at 1950 at 70 MPH, 50 RPM's lower and to this day it still turns 1950 RPM's at 70 MPH, as for why I don't know nor do I care.
{The PureOne filters are rated at 99.9% efficient at 20 microns.
The performance testing is based on the PL30001 filter. As stated on our packaging. The number we use 99.9% at 20 microns is absolute.
Filters are typically reported in the filter industry with nominal ratings. That
is, at the filters 50% efficiency. An absolute micron rating is typically stated at 98.7%.}
I noticed lower RPM's after switching from 5W40 to Amsoil 5w30 HDD synthetic oil at 70 MPH. A day or 2 after I changed I noticed that my tachometer showed the engine running at 1950 at 70 MPH, 50 RPM's lower and to this day it still turns 1950 RPM's at 70 MPH, as for why I don't know nor do I care.
04-13-2010, 02:34 PM
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Amsoil is 15um absolute; Fleetguard is 25um absolute
Yes AMSOIL and AMSOIL Oil also. While you are at it replace all the fluids with AMSOIL products. You will not regret it. Before you do the oil change, take it out to the highway on a long stretch of pretty flat and straight area, set the cruise control at 60 and see what the rpms are. Then change the oil and filter with AMSOIL go back to the same area and repeat the test. Then post what the 2 differnet readings are
Sorry.. engine oil has zero bearing on your rpms at a given speed.
04-13-2010, 03:26 PM
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04-13-2010, 08:28 PM
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04-13-2010, 09:44 PM
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But... can you go 25,000 miles on it in a 03 or 04 Cummins not using a bypass system and still have your soot reading <.1%? I have the past two oil changes going with the 1yr/25,000 mile interval. I hit the mileage right on par with the 1 yr mark since I commute 100 miles a day round trip.
04-13-2010, 09:55 PM
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But... can you go 25,000 miles on it in a 03 or 04 Cummins not using a bypass system and still have your soot reading <.1%? I have the past two oil changes going with the 1yr/25,000 mile interval. I hit the mileage right on par with the 1 yr mark since I commute 100 miles a day round trip.
04-14-2010, 09:40 AM
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Amsoil is all a gimmick and alot of people swear by it, my sig shows what rotella can do and thats with no additive ever. oil analysis show very good. stay away from the hype and use what you feel is best not what some spec sheet says that anybody can make up on a computer
04-16-2010, 08:49 PM
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In the last 2 years I've owned my truck I've done a bit of "experimenting"
so far I've done the Rotella, Valvoline Premium Blue, Amsoil CJ-4+ on the oils
Stanadyne, Howes, Power Service, PFFP, and 2 cycle Supertech on the additives
and Mopar, Stratapore, Amsoil and Baldwin on the filters.
Most recently I went from the Amsoil filter/oil combo to the Baldwin/Valvoline combo. While doing this I took an oil sample and will be sending it out to get analyzed in the next few days.
The one thing that did strike me as strange was during the last change from the Amsoil to the Valvoline, the Amsoil poured out like water. Not very viscous at all. I had 11,500 km on it at the time of change.
I have noticed absolutely NO DIFFERENCES at all between anything I do.
The last change was the first time I took an oil sample, so my observations are based on mileage, performance of the engine and the way it sounds and things like that, not so much of that fancy science.
so far the Baldwin filters are waaaaay cheaper than anything else I've bought and obviously the Amsoil is the most expensive.
For me it's a $60 difference in price and I'm also an Amsoil super friend and pick up locally.
so far I've done the Rotella, Valvoline Premium Blue, Amsoil CJ-4+ on the oils
Stanadyne, Howes, Power Service, PFFP, and 2 cycle Supertech on the additives
and Mopar, Stratapore, Amsoil and Baldwin on the filters.
Most recently I went from the Amsoil filter/oil combo to the Baldwin/Valvoline combo. While doing this I took an oil sample and will be sending it out to get analyzed in the next few days.
The one thing that did strike me as strange was during the last change from the Amsoil to the Valvoline, the Amsoil poured out like water. Not very viscous at all. I had 11,500 km on it at the time of change.
I have noticed absolutely NO DIFFERENCES at all between anything I do.
The last change was the first time I took an oil sample, so my observations are based on mileage, performance of the engine and the way it sounds and things like that, not so much of that fancy science.
so far the Baldwin filters are waaaaay cheaper than anything else I've bought and obviously the Amsoil is the most expensive.
For me it's a $60 difference in price and I'm also an Amsoil super friend and pick up locally.
04-17-2010, 09:24 AM
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Amsoil lowers the engine rpms too? Amazing stuff.
While everyone seems to have strong opinions, obviously some are based on mystic abilities like lowering rpms....
Why is it that the big oil testing labs say any oil is good oil, and running a good filter and changing regularly are the most important thing. Most of the oil experts say WalMart Tech oil is just fine, and many of the long haul guys on here use the cheapest oil they can find and have hundreds of thousands of miles on their trucks.
I'll continue to listen to the oil analyzing labs, and not the oil salesmen.
While everyone seems to have strong opinions, obviously some are based on mystic abilities like lowering rpms....
Why is it that the big oil testing labs say any oil is good oil, and running a good filter and changing regularly are the most important thing. Most of the oil experts say WalMart Tech oil is just fine, and many of the long haul guys on here use the cheapest oil they can find and have hundreds of thousands of miles on their trucks.
I'll continue to listen to the oil analyzing labs, and not the oil salesmen.
04-17-2010, 06:33 PM
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Amsoil is all a gimmick and alot of people swear by it, my sig shows what rotella can do and thats with no additive ever. oil analysis show very good. stay away from the hype and use what you feel is best not what some spec sheet says that anybody can make up on a computer
Amsoil lowers the engine rpms too? Amazing stuff. While everyone seems to have strong opinions, obviously some are based on mystic abilities like lowering rpms....
Why is it that the big oil testing labs say any oil is good oil, and running a good filter and changing regularly are the most important thing. Most of the oil experts say WalMart Tech oil is just fine, and many of the long haul guys on here use the cheapest oil they can find and have hundreds of thousands of miles on their trucks.
I'll continue to listen to the oil analyzing labs, and not the oil salesmen.
Why is it that the big oil testing labs say any oil is good oil, and running a good filter and changing regularly are the most important thing. Most of the oil experts say WalMart Tech oil is just fine, and many of the long haul guys on here use the cheapest oil they can find and have hundreds of thousands of miles on their trucks.
I'll continue to listen to the oil analyzing labs, and not the oil salesmen.
I used to spat at extended drain intervals. No way was I ever going to go that route. Finally I gave in a couple years later and decided to give it try. Guess what, I've never looked back. I drive 23,000 - 25,000 miles a year commuting and my truck idles at least an hour a week. The first time I used the Amsoil AME 15w-40 I used Fleetguard Stratapore filters and changed them every 7500ish miles topping off with a fresh quart because I had a hard time accepting what I was doing. I finally went with the Amsoil EaO80 filter the whole distance. Guess what? The Amsoil EaO80 filter going the total time yielded me better analysis results than changing the Fleetguard Stratapore every 7500ish miles.
04-17-2010, 09:51 PM
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Yes. I am running the Amsoil Filter and Amsoil AME Oil. $90 once a year for me for the oil and Filter.
Call it what you want. I also have the analysis reports backing up my oil change intervals. Guess that is all hype.
To each his own. I do agree on the labs and not the salesmen. I have the analysis reports to back up my 1yr/25,000 mile intervals.
I used to spat at extended drain intervals. No way was I ever going to go that route. Finally I gave in a couple years later and decided to give it try. Guess what, I've never looked back. I drive 23,000 - 25,000 miles a year commuting and my truck idles at least an hour a week. The first time I used the Amsoil AME 15w-40 I used Fleetguard Stratapore filters and changed them every 7500ish miles topping off with a fresh quart because I had a hard time accepting what I was doing. I finally went with the Amsoil EaO80 filter the whole distance. Guess what? The Amsoil EaO80 filter going the total time yielded me better analysis results than changing the Fleetguard Stratapore every 7500ish miles.
Call it what you want. I also have the analysis reports backing up my oil change intervals. Guess that is all hype.
To each his own. I do agree on the labs and not the salesmen. I have the analysis reports to back up my 1yr/25,000 mile intervals.
I used to spat at extended drain intervals. No way was I ever going to go that route. Finally I gave in a couple years later and decided to give it try. Guess what, I've never looked back. I drive 23,000 - 25,000 miles a year commuting and my truck idles at least an hour a week. The first time I used the Amsoil AME 15w-40 I used Fleetguard Stratapore filters and changed them every 7500ish miles topping off with a fresh quart because I had a hard time accepting what I was doing. I finally went with the Amsoil EaO80 filter the whole distance. Guess what? The Amsoil EaO80 filter going the total time yielded me better analysis results than changing the Fleetguard Stratapore every 7500ish miles.
04-17-2010, 10:20 PM
#27
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Glad to hear you're having luck!
Here's a question.... If you used the Fleetguard and got kind of bad reports running long intervals, what made the report bad?
Now you run the Amsoil filter and like your reports, why?
Answer those two questions then consider this.
If you have high iron, copper, lead, or any wear metals and you see them on the report with the Fleetguard, you have a problem that is not filter related! The oil is not doing its job protecting the engine!
So if you slap an awesome filter on there that filters out every spec of every molecule and now your oil reports are good, then that tells me your wonderful filter is holding all the worn bearings, tappets and cylinder walls. The damage is being done, and the filter is straining it out so you don't see it.
My take anyway. But I'm a simple man.
Here's a question.... If you used the Fleetguard and got kind of bad reports running long intervals, what made the report bad?
Now you run the Amsoil filter and like your reports, why?
Answer those two questions then consider this.
If you have high iron, copper, lead, or any wear metals and you see them on the report with the Fleetguard, you have a problem that is not filter related! The oil is not doing its job protecting the engine!
So if you slap an awesome filter on there that filters out every spec of every molecule and now your oil reports are good, then that tells me your wonderful filter is holding all the worn bearings, tappets and cylinder walls. The damage is being done, and the filter is straining it out so you don't see it.
My take anyway. But I'm a simple man.
04-17-2010, 10:28 PM
#28
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If you have high iron, copper, lead, or any wear metals and you see them on the report with the Fleetguard, you have a problem that is not filter related! The oil is not doing its job protecting the engine!
So if you slap an awesome filter on there that filters out every spec of every molecule and now your oil reports are good, then that tells me your wonderful filter is holding all the worn bearings, tappets and cylinder walls. The damage is being done, and the filter is straining it out so you don't see it.
My take anyway. But I'm a simple man.
So if you slap an awesome filter on there that filters out every spec of every molecule and now your oil reports are good, then that tells me your wonderful filter is holding all the worn bearings, tappets and cylinder walls. The damage is being done, and the filter is straining it out so you don't see it.
My take anyway. But I'm a simple man.
04-18-2010, 07:19 AM
#29
Glad to hear you're having luck!
Here's a question.... If you used the Fleetguard and got kind of bad reports running long intervals, what made the report bad?
Now you run the Amsoil filter and like your reports, why?
Answer those two questions then consider this.
If you have high iron, copper, lead, or any wear metals and you see them on the report with the Fleetguard, you have a problem that is not filter related! The oil is not doing its job protecting the engine!
So if you slap an awesome filter on there that filters out every spec of every molecule and now your oil reports are good, then that tells me your wonderful filter is holding all the worn bearings, tappets and cylinder walls. The damage is being done, and the filter is straining it out so you don't see it.
My take anyway. But I'm a simple man.
Here's a question.... If you used the Fleetguard and got kind of bad reports running long intervals, what made the report bad?
Now you run the Amsoil filter and like your reports, why?
Answer those two questions then consider this.
If you have high iron, copper, lead, or any wear metals and you see them on the report with the Fleetguard, you have a problem that is not filter related! The oil is not doing its job protecting the engine!
So if you slap an awesome filter on there that filters out every spec of every molecule and now your oil reports are good, then that tells me your wonderful filter is holding all the worn bearings, tappets and cylinder walls. The damage is being done, and the filter is straining it out so you don't see it.
My take anyway. But I'm a simple man.
AH64ID is correct. Even a bypass will not filter the wear metals and contaminates since they are sub-micron.
04-18-2010, 10:26 PM
#30
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Sub-micron. Gotcha. That makes a LOT more sense now. Amsoil filters are good for soot? I know I have soot in my oil! In fact I just ran almost 11K on the last oil change and didn't send in for a UOA. Probably better that I didn't, because what's done is done. I don't need the worry right now. 