Mine rattles when it is cold,but as soon as it warms up a bit it quiets down,all my diesels have done this..

 

Had me a little worried - - it had the rattle of a PSD, not the systematic clicking of the older Cummins. It did go away with a little warm up, but kept showing up during the day after a cool down.

 

[quote author=OkieBroncRider link=board=20;threadid=7253;start=0#69594 date=1037752982]<br> Cmon guys, 11 posts and no one has a good anwser as to why he has to take his truck in?<br>[/quote]<br><br><br>thanks but it seems to fall on deaf ears...

 

It states on page 317 in your 03 manual... <br>all vehicles built in the United States are required to comply twith federal Government Exterior Noise regulations.....<br><br>violations include<br>removal of air cleaner<br>removla of cleaner filter from the housing<br>removal of air ducts<br>removal or rendering inoperative exhaust suystem including mufflers or tail pipes<br>removal or rendering inoperative the fan clutch<br>removal of fan shroud<br><br>repairs to all theses components are covered under federal standards and are covered for the life of the vehicle... <br><br>thats it in a nut shell... <br>

 

[quote author=FiverBob link=board=20;threadid=7253;start=0#69624 date=1037755415]<br>It got down really &quot;cold&quot; here in Florida night before. It was down to 46 degrees (I know, I know, I have not the slightest idea of what cold is - - yada yada yad[/quote]<br><br>Out here in Jax, it was 37 when I left for work at 0630. Ice on the windshield and everything. I know it's not shoveling snow off the hood like you northerners do, but it was odd because I was wearing shorts just a couple days before.<br><br>-SFB

 

Wick said, <br>&quot;removal of air cleaner<br>removla of cleaner filter from the housing<br>removal of air ducts<br>removal or rendering inoperative exhaust suystem including mufflers or tail pipes<br>removal or rendering inoperative the fan clutch<br>removal of fan shroud<br><br>repairs to all theses components are covered under federal standards and are covered for the life of the vehicle... &quot;<br><br>These components are not under any warranty but the 3yr/36,000 mile. None of the above items may be removed or modified in a manner to increase noise level. No emmisions related equipment may be removed or modified in a manner that increases vehicle emmisions. Both sound emmissions and tail-pipe emmissions are subject to Environmental Protection Agency Regulations and enforcement.<br><br>There is an Federal Emmission Warranty which is 8yrs/80,000 miles on fuel injection, catalytic converters, certain specific items.<br><br>Know your warranties, use them, you will save $$$.<br><br>Certain states have their own regulations on modification of suspension systems, what can and can't be done. Check your motor vehicle code. In general if a part or add on is sold within a state by a reputable business, it has been approved for use. Where you can get into trouble is when some back-yard mechanic takes a torch to his suspension. He may run afoul of the law at that point. :P

 

One guy here at work (with a newer F150) was ribbing me about the noise from the Cummins. He said I &quot;ought to take it in for a checkup - that thing sounds like it's about to fall apart&quot;. I looked at him and said &quot;It's all those little F150's who won't get out of the way and get sucked into the intake -the engine just hasn't digested all of it, yet.&quot; <br><br>His look suggested I go straight to ............. ;D

 

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FYI: <br><br>The ford 6.0 PSD has not been issued Job1 (internal lingo which slates a product for manufacturing). Turns out there is some problems, read about it on www.blueovalnews.com.<br><br>http://www.bonforums.com/powertrain/...erstroke60.htm<br><br>Figured to pass it along.<br><br>Still a Cummins for me. Going to try to negotiate a deal after 12/4.

 

From what I gather from my owner's manual, it is a federal law for vehicles over 10,000 GVWR to meet noise requirements. The 2500 is 9000 lbs so it shouldn't be under this requirement. Are you sure yours must be taken in?

 

Check the EPA web site for their Noise Control Regulations, several pages in length. These apply to all motor vehicles. The Owners Manual refers an additional set of rules which apply to vehicles with 10,000 GVWR and above.

 

DAE<br>Dealer<br>Added<br>Extra <br><br> JJ

 

[quote author=wick link=board=20;threadid=7253;start=15#69646 date=1037758010]<br>It states on page 317 in your 03 manual... <br>all vehicles built in the United States are required to comply twith federal Government Exterior Noise regulations.....[/quote]<br><br>Are these regulations something new? I haven't heard anything like that before, and I used to own a straight-piped turbo diesel and never had a problem...even on the couple of occasions that I was pulled over for other reasons.<br><br>If the regs. are new, what model years do they apply to?<br><br>Just wondering, thanks!

 

Anyone can access this web site by using Yahoo search for &quot;DMV Calif&quot; Other states have similar regulations.<br><br>Here are some sections of the Calif Vehicle Code (Law) related to mufflers and noise:<br><br><br>Adequate Muffler Required<br><br>27150. (a) Every motor vehicle subject to registration shall at all times be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant operation and properly maintained to prevent any excessive or unusual noise, and no muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar device.<br><br>(b) Except as provided in Division 16.5 (commencing with Section 38000) with respect to off-highway motor vehicles subject to identification, every passenger vehicle operated off the highways shall at all times be equipped with an adequate muffler in constant operation and properly maintained so as to meet the requirements of Article 2.5 (commencing with Section 27200), and no muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped with a cutout, bypass, or similar device.<br><br>(c) The provisions of subdivision (b) shall not be applicable to passenger vehicles being operated off the highways in an organized racing or competitive event conducted under the auspices of a recognized sanctioning body or by permit issued by the local governmental authority having jurisdiction.<br>Amended Ch. 558, Stats. 1977. Effective January 1, 1978. Supersedes Ch. 579.<br><br><br><br>Regulations Governing Exhaust Systems<br><br>27150.2. The commissioner shall ( )1 adopt regulations setting standards for vehicular exhaust systems consistent with Article 2.5 (commencing with Section 27200). The regulations shall include, but need not be limited to, the following:<br><br>(a) Provisions for standards for vehicular exhaust systems, based on manufacturers’ data and subject to ( )2 any inspections and other verification ( )3 the commissioner may prescribe. The regulations shall include provisions specifying that exhaust systems installed on motor vehicles, other than motorcycles, with a manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating of less than 6,000 pounds, that emit no more than 95 dbA when tested in accordance with Society of Automotive Engineers Standard J1169 May 1998, comply with Sections 27150 and 27151.<br><br>(b) Provisions for the licensing of stations to implement ( )4 this section and Section 27150.1, and for the denial, revocation, or suspension of any license for failure to comply with ( )5 this section or any regulation adopted thereunder.<br><br>The regulations may provide for the exemption of vehicular exhaust systems where compliance with the regulations would cause an unreasonable hardship without resulting in a sufficient corresponding benefit with respect to noise level control. ( )6<br>Amended Sec. 4, Ch. 92, Stats. 2001. Effective January 1, 2002.<br>The 2001 amendment added the italicized material, and at the point(s) indicated, deleted the following:<br><br> 1. “, after the study required by Section 27150.3, and after the public hearings, adopt regulations setting standards for the certification of vehicular exhaust systems based solely upon noise standards consistent with the total vehicle noise levels set by Sections 23130 and 23130.5. Such”<br> 2. “such”<br> 3. “as”<br> 4. “the provisions of this section,”<br> 5. “the provisions of”<br> 6. “The regulations adopted pursuant to this section shall become effective one year after the regulations are filed with the Legislature pursuant to Section 27150.4.”<br><br>Motor Vehicle Exhaust Standards<br><br>27153.5. (a) No motor vehicle first sold or registered as a new motor vehicle on or after January 1, 1971, shall discharge into the atmosphere at elevation of less than 4,000 feet any air contaminant for a period of more than 10 seconds which is:<br><br>(1) As dark or darker in shade as that designated as No. 1 on the Ringelmann Chart, as published by the United States Bureau of Mines, or<br><br>(2) Of such opacity as to obscure an observer's view to a degree equal to or greater than does smoke described in paragraph (1) of this subdivision.<br><br>(b) No motor vehicle first sold or registered prior to January 1, 1971, shall discharge into the atmosphere at elevation of less than 4,000 feet any air contaminant for a period of more than 10 seconds which is:<br><br>(1) As dark or darker in shade than that designated as No. 2 on the Ringelmann Chart, as published by the United States Bureau of Mines, or<br><br>(2) Of such opacity as to obscure an observer's view to a degree equal to or greater than does smoke described in paragraph (1) of this subdivision.<br><br>(c) The provisions of this section apply to motor vehicles of the United States or its agencies, to the extent authorized by federal law.<br>Amended Ch. 216, Stats. 1973. Effective January 1, 1974.<br><br>Limits for Vehicles Exceeding 5,999 Pounds Gross Vehicle Weight<br><br>27204. For the purposes of Section 27200, the following noise limits shall apply to any motor vehicle within the specified manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating and date of manufacture:<br><br>GVWR-Pounds Date of Manufacture Noise Limit -dbA<br>Over 6,000 after 1967 and before 1973 88<br>Over 6,000 after 1972 and before 1975 86<br>Over 6,000 after 1974 and before 1978 83<br>Over 8,500 after 1977 and before 1982 83<br>Over 6,000 but not over 8,500 after 1977 80<br>Over 8,500 but not over 10,000 after 1981 80<br>Over 10,000 after 1981 and before 1988 83<br>Over 10,000 after 1987 80<br><br>Amended Ch. 274, Stats. 1985. Effective January 1, 1986.<br><br>

 

Certainly would need your engine muffled in my state. Not sure about the others<br><br>Hunter