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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 05:00 PM
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Lift pump failed

Hey guys, I posted a couple days ago about a long crank problem on my 2003 Cummins, took it into the dealer I got it from (Not Dodge) and they say the lift pump is bad. Do I want to go with the in-tank Dodge retrofit or should I go with another option? I've read up some on the various threads but I need some guidance. It's not a pulling or drag truck, just my daily driver. I plan on installing a fuel pressure gauge so I can monitor the new one but I need to know what to go with for a new one. Thanks,
Nick
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 05:02 PM
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If it's not a warrantee item I'd use this opportunity to install A Walbro from GDP or equivalent. Cost will probably be about the same but you'll get a much better product.
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 05:05 PM
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pauly's spot on. if they install an intank pump and it goes out, it WILL fail when the tank is completely full in the middle of nowhere, requiring a tow to a shop, tank draining, and waiting for another pump to arrive.
if you go with a glacier, fass, bd, even holley, they are more reliable, accessible, and you could always, in a pinch, stop at a napa to throw on a holley blue to get home...
those you mount on the frame rail,and can change on the side of the road or in a parking lot.
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 05:17 PM
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So are they (bd, fass, glacier, and holly blue) all pretty equal in terms of trustworthyness? Anything to stay away from? I have a cummins warranty for another 6k but the lift pump may not be warrantied and if it is all I get is an intank pump. Thanks,
Nick
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by nkh95
So are they (bd, fass, glacier, and holly blue) all pretty equal in terms of trustworthyness? Anything to stay away from? I have a cummins warranty for another 6k but the lift pump may not be warrantied and if it is all I get is an intank pump. Thanks,
Nick

I`ve heard some great things about FASS. I`m putting one of those low fuel pressure idiot lights kits in after hearing about this...
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 06:00 PM
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So are they (bd, fass, glacier, and holly blue) all pretty equal in terms of trustworthyness? Anything to stay away from? I have a cummins warranty for another 6k but the lift pump may not be warrantied and if it is all I get is an intank pump. Thanks,
Nick

The Walbro and FASS seem to be top shelf. Haven't heard enough about the BD or Holley. They just aren't as popular.
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 07:09 PM
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What are the thoughts about putting a strainer type filter pre-pump? I talked to a service tech at a local company (Diesel Injection Service), the best shop in the area and he said from their research (from taking apart broken ones) it isn't heat killing the pumps like Chrysler thinks (based on the in-tank update) but instead debris tearing up the impeller in the pump.
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 07:15 PM
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What are the thoughts about putting a strainer type filter pre-pump? I talked to a service tech at a local company (Diesel Injection Service), the best shop in the area and he said from their research (from taking apart broken ones) it isn't heat killing the pumps like Chrysler thinks (based on the in-tank update) but instead debris tearing up the impeller in the pump.
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Sure, you can do that. I think the Walbro setup comes with one. Check it out at Glacier Diesel Power.
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 08:23 PM
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Yeah, but for every tech that relates anecdotal evidence about how the soft parts in the IP are getting torn up, there's another that insists most of the failures are due to the electronics overheating in the circuit board.

The newer IPs have a higher ambient temp capacity, and of course, these pumps blow much better than they suck.
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 09:57 PM
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So say I installed this BD kit after I have the dealer install a updated unit under my warranty, if the in tank pump dies I'll still have this one to keep me rolling right?
http://www.pitstopautoparts.com/cata...y=1&make_code=

Can an inline pump draw through the factory in-tank pump? Or should I skip having the dealer install anything, drive it home and wait til an aftermarket kit shows up?
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 10:55 PM
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So say I installed this BD kit after I have the dealer install a updated unit under my warranty, if the in tank pump dies I'll still have this one to keep me rolling right?
http://www.pitstopautoparts.com/cata...y=1&make_code=

Can an inline pump draw through the factory in-tank pump? Or should I skip having the dealer install anything, drive it home and wait til an aftermarket kit shows up?
Nick

No, an inline pump cannot draw through the factory in-tank pump.
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 11:51 PM
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that is the same pump setup i am running at over 500 hp, and 20k miles with no troubles. it will not pull or push through the stock pump.
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Old Jun 29, 2007 | 04:59 PM
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What about this setup? It says its from Glacier Diesel, but its a whole lot cheaper.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Glaci...QQcmdZViewItem
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Old Jun 29, 2007 | 05:18 PM
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I've never heard of that company but it does look like the GDP kit.
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Old Jun 29, 2007 | 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by nkh95
Hey guys, I posted a couple days ago about a long crank problem on my 2003 Cummins, took it into the dealer I got it from (Not Dodge) and they say the lift pump is bad. Do I want to go with the in-tank Dodge retrofit or should I go with another option? I've read up some on the various threads but I need some guidance. It's not a pulling or drag truck, just my daily driver. I plan on installing a fuel pressure gauge so I can monitor the new one but I need to know what to go with for a new one. Thanks,
Nick
I have had my Fass(150gph) installed for about 3 years now.No problems yet,I have about 400 HP in my truck.IMHO anything is better than the stock lift pump.coobie
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