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Old Dec 31, 2008 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TX_Diesel
So what your saying is, cummins built a motor that won't work with the new diesel...or better yet the fuel companies now produce a diesel fuel that will ruin our motors....

I'm not saying your wrong but it's kinda hard for me to believe that this would be true. If it was don't you think that car companies would put a bulletin to consumers telling them to be sure and add some kind of additive so they don't get a butt load of warranty claims??

I've had 5 different diesels, 3 cummins, 2 fords and never used fuel treatment and never had any engine problems.
You are correct.ADDItives are a waste of money ,along with expensive oil and oil sampling. change the oil every 7,000 miles with rotella OR comparable oil.,an the engine will still be running strong after the rest of the truck has fell apart around it.
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Old Dec 31, 2008 | 05:23 PM
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You are correct.ADDItives are a waste of money ,along with expensive oil and oil sampling. change the oil every 7,000 miles with rotella OR comparable oil.,an the engine will still be running strong after the rest of the truck has fell apart around it.
So please explain to me how I keep from Gelling up when it hits -20 F plus 25mph winds= -51 below zero! (check our last month forcast) and fuel stations don't have #1 diesel? Boy, I would hate to drive around with you in Montana during the winter. Burr. Don't like sitting on the side of the road. We have like 1 fuel station for every hundred miles.
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Old Dec 31, 2008 | 05:24 PM
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Plus, if you can find #1 diesel, why wouldnt you want to regain that mileage with an additive since you lose so much with #1, and help lubricate and keep fuel system clean as an EXTRA bonus? These bottles really do pay them selves back.
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Old Dec 31, 2008 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by dslpwr81
So please explain to me how I keep from Gelling up when it hits -20 F plus 25mph winds= -51 below zero! (check our last month forcast) and fuel stations don't have #1 diesel? Boy, I would hate to drive around with you in Montana during the winter. Burr. Don't like sitting on the side of the road. We have like 1 fuel station for every hundred miles.
Anti-Gell would be needed for cold weather operation in that climate. Thats common sense.
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Old Dec 31, 2008 | 05:35 PM
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Plus, if you can find #1 diesel, why wouldnt you want to regain that mileage with an additive since you lose so much with #1, and help lubricate and keep fuel system clean as an EXTRA bonus? These bottles really do pay them selves back.
no one has or can prove that additives improve fuel mileage,but if you belief they do, its your money.
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Old Dec 31, 2008 | 06:53 PM
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no one has or can prove that additives improve fuel mileage,but if you belief they do, its your money.
You said it. Your truck, your money. If you want to us the crappy ULSD fuel without any additives, go ahead. Additives help me sleep at night.
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Old Dec 31, 2008 | 08:11 PM
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You said it. Your truck, your money. If you want to us the crappy ULSD fuel without any additives, go ahead. Additives help me sleep at night.
Hey,if additives make you sleep better,then they are not a waste of money.LOL.Happy New Year!!!
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Old Dec 31, 2008 | 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TX_Diesel
So what your saying is, cummins built a motor that won't work with the new diesel...or better yet the fuel companies now produce a diesel fuel that will ruin our motors....

I'm not saying your wrong but it's kinda hard for me to believe that this would be true. If it was don't you think that car companies would put a bulletin to consumers telling them to be sure and add some kind of additive so they don't get a butt load of warranty claims??

I've had 5 different diesels, 3 cummins, 2 fords and never used fuel treatment and never had any engine problems.
The oil for 06 down was CI-4-+ the 07 up is CJ .
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Old Dec 31, 2008 | 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by BMH95
How about a compromise? It's not lubricated by the diesel fuel, but rather it is COOLED by the diesel fuel??

Originally Posted by hammajamma
You are correct.ADDItives are a waste of money ,along with expensive oil and oil sampling. change the oil every 7,000 miles with rotella OR comparable oil.,an the engine will still be running strong after the rest of the truck has fell apart around it.
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I still don't understand why so many waste money using 2 cycle oil in there fuel being they don't have a V44 pump to worry about.
Originally Posted by TX_Diesel
So what your saying is, cummins built a motor that won't work with the new diesel...or better yet the fuel companies now produce a diesel fuel that will ruin our motors....

I'm not saying your wrong but it's kinda hard for me to believe that this would be true. If it was don't you think that car companies would put a bulletin to consumers telling them to be sure and add some kind of additive so they don't get a butt load of warranty claims??

I've had 5 different diesels, 3 cummins, 2 fords and never used fuel treatment and never had any engine problems.
Please read entire thread on....Lift pumps, lets get to the bottom of this..

This is why there is a need for an Additive. And YES!!!!!!!! CP3 requires Lubrication and Cooling from Diesel Fuel.
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Old Jan 1, 2009 | 06:29 AM
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I stated that already but my word must not be good enough.
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Old Jan 1, 2009 | 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by dslpwr81
So please explain to me how I keep from Gelling up when it hits -20 F plus 25mph winds= -51 below zero! (check our last month forcast) and fuel stations don't have #1 diesel? Boy, I would hate to drive around with you in Montana during the winter. Burr. Don't like sitting on the side of the road. We have like 1 fuel station for every hundred miles.
Sorry but wind chill has no effect on if your fuel will gel. Wind chill calculates the Human reaction to wind exposure and how it "Feels" to us.
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Old Jan 1, 2009 | 10:06 AM
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I'm still waiting on the oil sample. It went out on Monday I think, so I don't expect to hear back until next week. It was CJ. There's no CI that I can find around here anymore.
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Old Jan 1, 2009 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by trik396
I stated that already but my word must not be good enough.
Nope. Just stated in one of my first post that it need lubrication, then tried to make an attempt to make someone happy by saying "things tend to run better with lubrication," just another way of saying it needs lube, since there was still a dissagreement. Still wasn't good enough. So I then reposted to look at the Lift pumps thread due to another post on a CP3 not needing lube.
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Old Jan 1, 2009 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by CamperAndy
Sorry but wind chill has no effect on if your fuel will gel. Wind chill calculates the Human reaction to wind exposure and how it "Feels" to us.
Very true, but wind chill has the ability to cool objects at a much faster rate. Windchill will only chill an object to ambient air temp which obviously you know. But, if that object is, say a fuel tank, injectorlines, water, ect.... exposure to the windchill may cool that fuel/water to an ambient air temp much quicker resulting in a gelled/frozen situation. I remember on a few occations in Prudhoe Bay Alaska were we would transport a Halliburton Pumping unit from one shop to another (7 miles). If the temp outside was -40 below with no wind, we could make it to our final destination without our water freezing, but if the wind was blowing 40mph, we didn't stand a chance. Same thing kinda goes for the guy who has his diesel pickup parked in his 60 degree garage with #2 diesel fuel in his tank and decides to drive to the grocery store. With no wind chill, he may be find, but if the wind is blowen, he could run into an issue of gelling up that fuel in that short amount of time in -20. Thats kind of all I was trying to say.
Happy New Year!!!!!
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Old Jan 5, 2009 | 10:49 PM
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To get this back on track for those of you that were watching to see an analysis on the CJ oil. Here's the comments:

"Running your oil 7,000 miles wasn't a problem and going longer next time should be fine. Universal averages for the ISB 610 are based on an oil run of ~7,000 miles so you can see just how nicely your engine is wearing compared to most. Try going 9,000 miles on the next oil. If everything continues to
look good, we will suggest going even longer next time. The TBN read 6.1 so you had plenty of active additive left in this fill, had you decided to run it longer. The sample contained some soot but nothing out of line for a diesel. Nice engine!"

I'm trying to get the stats image from the analysis uploaded to Photobucket, but their site is having issues tonight. I'll post it as soon as I can get it uploaded.
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