6.1L Cummins in the 04.5/05?
11-23-2003, 10:50 AM
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6.1L Cummins in the 04.5/05?
Anyone see this? It looks like Dodge is going with a new 6.1L Cummins with 325hp and 600lb/tq at 1600rpm! It's at the bottom of the article! I feel the article is wrong because isn't there a 6.1L Hemi getting ready to hit the market?
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11-23-2003, 07:19 PM
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Re:6.1L Cummins in the 04.5/05?
apparently there is more than one newspaper that has the wrong story... Or there may be some truth... Any way you look at it there is one very clever spin doctor working at chrysler. There are so many rumors, leaked info, and stories out there that has everyone scratching there heads, nothing would surprise me...
here we all thought they were putting EGR on the B5.9 engine...
link to the story...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/classi...,3094049.story
the story...
Chrysler's latest concept: Take on Hummer
By Jim Mateja
Tribune auto reporter
Published November 23, 2003
DETROIT -- The words to live by at Chrysler are simple and to the point:
"Don't get mad, get even."
That, it seems, is what Chrysler Group intends to do, as evidenced by the Jeep Rescue, one of a trio of concepts the automaker unveiled to the media here last week that bears a striking resemblance to the Hummer H2.
About a year ago, Chrysler sued General Motors, charging that the Hummer H2 bore the same seven-slotted grille as every member of the Jeep lineup.
While Chrysler cried foul, the court said, tsk, tsk, and the H2 kept its grille.
Trevor Creed, senior vice president of design, seemed especially energetic when taking the wraps off Rescue, which he said represents "where we might go in the near future with an extreme off-road vehicle."
Going after the Hummer by any chance?
"Oh, yeah," be beamed in reply.
Rescue is built on a 123-inch wheelbase, or just a little longer than the 122.8 inches on the H2. Rescue is 80 inches wide, or 1.2 inches narrower than the H2, if a vehicle 80 inches wide can be called narrow.
No mention of engine, though at the same preview, Chrysler showed off a variety of 2005 model products that included a new heavy-duty Dodge Ram pickup sporting a 6.1-liter diesel V-8 boasting 325 horsepower and 600 foot-pounds of torque. With Rescue built off the Dodge Ram platform, the 6.1-liter would be possible, if not logical.
In addition to size and styling reminiscent of H2, Rescue features removable doors and folding windshield, cues borrowed from the Jeep Wrangler, plus navigation system, adjustable ride height suspension, remote-control winches and 37-inch radial tires.
Rescue seats four. There's also a large cargo hold behind the second-row seat, and if you look close, you can see that the roof and side panels covering the cargo hold could be removed to convert the huge SUV into a huge SUV/pickup with cargo bed like Hummer has done for '05 with a pickup version of the H2 called the H2 SUT.
Rescue will be joined on the auto-show circuit beginning in January in Detroit by the Dodge Sling Shot and Jeep TREO.
While Chrysler Group insists that any or all of its annual concepts are potential candidates for assembly, awaiting only reaction from auto-show visitors, you can dismiss TREO as a production contender.
TREO seats three in novel fashion, two upfront, one in the rear. It is powered by a hydrogen fuel-cell teamed with four electric motors.
Its purpose was simply to serve as an early look at the type of vehicle that might be powered by a fuel cell someday.
By the time hydrogen fuel cells arrive, you can expect Chrysler to have developed a host of possible vehicles to carry them.
A vehicle with more than an outside shot at production is the Dodge Sling Shot, a small, two-seat coupe that features styling similar to a Dodge Viper upfront and an '05 Dodge Magnum hatchback in back.
Sling Shot also is built off the same platform as the small smart now sold in Europe. Smart is a DaimlerChrysler subsidiary that's part of the Mercedes-Benz automotive group and is sold only in Europe.
It is slated to arrive in the U.S. in the 2006 model year, with the first offering set to be a mini sport-ute.
Sling Shot, which converts into an open-top roadster when you retract the canvas roof, hints platform-sharing derivatives could be in the works.
"While the Dodge Viper was an extreme vehicle that is bold, powerful and full of life for the adventurous, Sling Shot is the polar opposite," Creed said, noting that unlike the Viper's 500-h.p. V-10 engine, Sling Shot carries a 90-h.p. 3-cylinder gas engine that delivers 45 m.p.g.
High mileage and low-cost transportation, again the opposite of Viper.
In addition to the concepts, Chrysler provided media with a peek at a host of production models it will introduce nearly monthly starting next year.
Chief Executive Officer Wolfgang Bernhard noted that with the new models, Chrysler will redo roughly 60 percent of its lineup for the '05 model year, a move that "will shut them up," he said, referring to critics chiding Chrysler for an old model lineup.
Among the new entries, all of which are designated '05 models, will be the previously announced Chrysler 300C and Dodge Magnum sedans, rear-wheel-drive replacements for the front-wheel-drive LH sedans; the Chrysler PT Cruiser convertible with power cloth top; and a larger Dodge Durango SUV.
Models not previously announced that also are designated as '05s include the Jeep Wrangler Unlimited, a 15-inch longer rendition of the Wrangler built on a 10-inch longer wheelbase. The bigger dimensions are aimed at providing better ride and handling as well as room for four occupants and their stuff; the Jeep Liberty Renegade and Limited that not only will feature different front-end styling from one another but also will offer a 2.8-liter diesel engine for the first time; and a redesigned Jeep Grand Cherokee powered by a 5.7-liter Hemi V-8.
Also new for '05 will be the redesigned Dodge Dakota midsize pickup with a Quad Cab for the first time; the heavy-duty Dodge Ram with 6.1-liter diesel; plus a new Chrysler Crossfire convertible and new SRT6 high-performance versions of the coupe and convertible with supercharged 330-h.p. versions of the current 3.2-liter, 215-h.p. 6-cylinder.
Bernard was asked why a Dodge Charger wasn't among the concepts unveiled at the media preview, especially because Pontiac has brought back the GTO that competed against the Charger in muscle-car days.
"Stay tuned," he said.
In addition to the concepts, Chrysler brought out two mystery packages, vehicles kept under wraps throughout the entire preview.
"We'll show them in March," said Dieter Zetsche, Chrysler Group president and chief executive.
Copyright © 2003, Chicago Tribune
here we all thought they were putting EGR on the B5.9 engine...
link to the story...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/classi...,3094049.story
the story...
Chrysler's latest concept: Take on Hummer
By Jim Mateja
Tribune auto reporter
Published November 23, 2003
DETROIT -- The words to live by at Chrysler are simple and to the point:
"Don't get mad, get even."
That, it seems, is what Chrysler Group intends to do, as evidenced by the Jeep Rescue, one of a trio of concepts the automaker unveiled to the media here last week that bears a striking resemblance to the Hummer H2.
About a year ago, Chrysler sued General Motors, charging that the Hummer H2 bore the same seven-slotted grille as every member of the Jeep lineup.
While Chrysler cried foul, the court said, tsk, tsk, and the H2 kept its grille.
Trevor Creed, senior vice president of design, seemed especially energetic when taking the wraps off Rescue, which he said represents "where we might go in the near future with an extreme off-road vehicle."
Going after the Hummer by any chance?
"Oh, yeah," be beamed in reply.
Rescue is built on a 123-inch wheelbase, or just a little longer than the 122.8 inches on the H2. Rescue is 80 inches wide, or 1.2 inches narrower than the H2, if a vehicle 80 inches wide can be called narrow.
No mention of engine, though at the same preview, Chrysler showed off a variety of 2005 model products that included a new heavy-duty Dodge Ram pickup sporting a 6.1-liter diesel V-8 boasting 325 horsepower and 600 foot-pounds of torque. With Rescue built off the Dodge Ram platform, the 6.1-liter would be possible, if not logical.
In addition to size and styling reminiscent of H2, Rescue features removable doors and folding windshield, cues borrowed from the Jeep Wrangler, plus navigation system, adjustable ride height suspension, remote-control winches and 37-inch radial tires.
Rescue seats four. There's also a large cargo hold behind the second-row seat, and if you look close, you can see that the roof and side panels covering the cargo hold could be removed to convert the huge SUV into a huge SUV/pickup with cargo bed like Hummer has done for '05 with a pickup version of the H2 called the H2 SUT.
Rescue will be joined on the auto-show circuit beginning in January in Detroit by the Dodge Sling Shot and Jeep TREO.
While Chrysler Group insists that any or all of its annual concepts are potential candidates for assembly, awaiting only reaction from auto-show visitors, you can dismiss TREO as a production contender.
TREO seats three in novel fashion, two upfront, one in the rear. It is powered by a hydrogen fuel-cell teamed with four electric motors.
Its purpose was simply to serve as an early look at the type of vehicle that might be powered by a fuel cell someday.
By the time hydrogen fuel cells arrive, you can expect Chrysler to have developed a host of possible vehicles to carry them.
A vehicle with more than an outside shot at production is the Dodge Sling Shot, a small, two-seat coupe that features styling similar to a Dodge Viper upfront and an '05 Dodge Magnum hatchback in back.
Sling Shot also is built off the same platform as the small smart now sold in Europe. Smart is a DaimlerChrysler subsidiary that's part of the Mercedes-Benz automotive group and is sold only in Europe.
It is slated to arrive in the U.S. in the 2006 model year, with the first offering set to be a mini sport-ute.
Sling Shot, which converts into an open-top roadster when you retract the canvas roof, hints platform-sharing derivatives could be in the works.
"While the Dodge Viper was an extreme vehicle that is bold, powerful and full of life for the adventurous, Sling Shot is the polar opposite," Creed said, noting that unlike the Viper's 500-h.p. V-10 engine, Sling Shot carries a 90-h.p. 3-cylinder gas engine that delivers 45 m.p.g.
High mileage and low-cost transportation, again the opposite of Viper.
In addition to the concepts, Chrysler provided media with a peek at a host of production models it will introduce nearly monthly starting next year.
Chief Executive Officer Wolfgang Bernhard noted that with the new models, Chrysler will redo roughly 60 percent of its lineup for the '05 model year, a move that "will shut them up," he said, referring to critics chiding Chrysler for an old model lineup.
Among the new entries, all of which are designated '05 models, will be the previously announced Chrysler 300C and Dodge Magnum sedans, rear-wheel-drive replacements for the front-wheel-drive LH sedans; the Chrysler PT Cruiser convertible with power cloth top; and a larger Dodge Durango SUV.
Models not previously announced that also are designated as '05s include the Jeep Wrangler Unlimited, a 15-inch longer rendition of the Wrangler built on a 10-inch longer wheelbase. The bigger dimensions are aimed at providing better ride and handling as well as room for four occupants and their stuff; the Jeep Liberty Renegade and Limited that not only will feature different front-end styling from one another but also will offer a 2.8-liter diesel engine for the first time; and a redesigned Jeep Grand Cherokee powered by a 5.7-liter Hemi V-8.
Also new for '05 will be the redesigned Dodge Dakota midsize pickup with a Quad Cab for the first time; the heavy-duty Dodge Ram with 6.1-liter diesel; plus a new Chrysler Crossfire convertible and new SRT6 high-performance versions of the coupe and convertible with supercharged 330-h.p. versions of the current 3.2-liter, 215-h.p. 6-cylinder.
Bernard was asked why a Dodge Charger wasn't among the concepts unveiled at the media preview, especially because Pontiac has brought back the GTO that competed against the Charger in muscle-car days.
"Stay tuned," he said.
In addition to the concepts, Chrysler brought out two mystery packages, vehicles kept under wraps throughout the entire preview.
"We'll show them in March," said Dieter Zetsche, Chrysler Group president and chief executive.
Copyright © 2003, Chicago Tribune
11-23-2003, 08:35 PM
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Re:6.1L Cummins in the 04.5/05?
If Dodge goes to a V8 diesel, I sure am glad I got an '04 with an Inline motor. It would be a shame to switch from the current ISB to a V block. I can understand why they would go with a V8 to compete with the H2 because the Engine compartment would be shorter, not allowing a I6. This is assuming that this "Rescue" would have similar lines to the H2.
11-23-2003, 09:11 PM
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Ahem, Ummm... Mr. Thorpe... I think we will be needing a new "V8 cummins diesel" section... 
How many years has D-C been producing a standard, california, and high output diesel? This is almost making sense... How many years does it take to design and produce an engine from scratch?
so... starting my own rumors and mass hysteria... If in fact D-C has dropped the B5.9 in favor of the 6.1 V8, Where do you think the 5.9 will end up? In a ford maybe? Wasn't I reading that somewhere that a fellow had a tour of a ford facility and saw them shoehorning a B5.9 into a superduty...
How many years has D-C been producing a standard, california, and high output diesel? This is almost making sense... How many years does it take to design and produce an engine from scratch?
so... starting my own rumors and mass hysteria... If in fact D-C has dropped the B5.9 in favor of the 6.1 V8, Where do you think the 5.9 will end up? In a ford maybe? Wasn't I reading that somewhere that a fellow had a tour of a ford facility and saw them shoehorning a B5.9 into a superduty...
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11-24-2003, 11:15 AM
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This is very funny and very scary all in the same. Sounds like a good movie 
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P/s I bet that v8 diesel will have twin turbos and a true jake brake :
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P/s I bet that v8 diesel will have twin turbos and a true jake brake :
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Re:6.1L Cummins in the 04.5/05?
spoke to the main guy last night at the local dodge dealership. he said that there is definately a new engine coming out in '04. that much he can confirm. he can not order any more of the HO engines so what he has on his lot is all he gets until the new engine gets into production. he was told by dodge that all ram production ends January 1. the cumins plant will "retool" and sometime in February the new engines will start to roll out. he has been told the numbers 325 hp and 600 lbs. torque are "real close to right". however, he was never told anything about it being a 6.1, that really surprised him as he assumes it is the 5.9 tuned a little higher. he said that:
1. to be able to retool and have engines out in less than two months tells him that it is not a whole new engine. he said it took longer than that when they had to "retool" for the ho motor.
2. dc has always told him that the 5.9 is really detuned and has a lot of life left in it to catch up to the ford.
anyway, he is convinced that it is just a 5.9 tuned up a little and has never heard a word about a 6.1. what's got him upset is how he is going to sell the current trucks on his lot as soon as dc announces the engine change, unless they really up the rebate,which he thinks they might.
1. to be able to retool and have engines out in less than two months tells him that it is not a whole new engine. he said it took longer than that when they had to "retool" for the ho motor.
2. dc has always told him that the 5.9 is really detuned and has a lot of life left in it to catch up to the ford.
anyway, he is convinced that it is just a 5.9 tuned up a little and has never heard a word about a 6.1. what's got him upset is how he is going to sell the current trucks on his lot as soon as dc announces the engine change, unless they really up the rebate,which he thinks they might.
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Re:6.1L Cummins in the 04.5/05?
Since most people are just guessing ;D I might as well chime in. I would recommend that anyone that can get a truck which meets their needs with the current engine should do so. The "new" engine is an unknown. No one knows what emissions systems will be on it and lets face it, any change that happens is emissions driven. While not always the case, typically more frequent maintenance intervals accompany such changes. Just look at the CA engine. I seriously doubt that people will notice an extra 20 horses and 50 foot pounds of torque in the "seat of the pants" during everyday driving. If in fact it has more power. Remember when the brought out the "more powerful, more fuel efficient" 24 valve in mid year? It was everything but. Next year may prove me wrong, but for those sitting on the fence, the current engine has proven reliable and one of the best so far. FWIW
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