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Old Jan 21, 2010 | 09:04 AM
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48re to nv5600 in a 05 need help with ecm stuff

I have the chance to swap my 48re with a nv5600 only diff is its a 04 truck that its coming from. that truck has the sentry key mine dont, will this work.?? how can I make it work.?
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Old Jan 21, 2010 | 02:57 PM
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Old Jan 21, 2010 | 03:35 PM
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Is your 48re going in the other truck?

For your truck, swap it in, have the ECM flashed for a manual trans application (Smarty can do this) and your good to go. I dont think Sentry Key has anything to do with the trans
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Old Jan 21, 2010 | 03:55 PM
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just like stated above. smarty can flash your ECM to think it is a manual tranny. other guy is going to have to do the same thing. I am about to do mine but looking for the engine harness for a 06-07 5.9 with g56 and electric shift t-case. that is the only thing holding me back from doing the swap.

you will also have to do the harness swap to make it work. reverse lights actuated by harness on tranny, 4x4 light actuated by harness on t-case and the auto tranny harness is different than the manual harness. that harness IS the engine harness
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Old Jan 21, 2010 | 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 'strokeThis_'07
Is your 48re going in the other truck?

For your truck, swap it in, have the ECM flashed for a manual trans application (Smarty can do this) and your good to go. I dont think Sentry Key has anything to do with the trans
I was wondering I can have everything from the other truck,(its a Wrecked 04 dually)any way to send in ecm to get flashed?

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just like stated above. smarty can flash your ECM to think it is a manual tranny. other guy is going to have to do the same thing. I am about to do mine but looking for the engine harness for a 06-07 5.9 with g56 and electric shift t-case. that is the only thing holding me back from doing the swap.

you will also have to do the harness swap to make it work. reverse lights actuated by harness on tranny, 4x4 light actuated by harness on t-case and the auto tranny harness is different than the manual harness. that harness IS the engine harness
the truck Im getting this from has the elec transfer, mine is manual I want to keep it, are they both the same spline count or diff, Ive read there diff, have to change the input shaft from the other to mine to work..? I dont really want to change ecm's as i dont know if the 04 will work it dont have the same throttle peddle as mine, its cable to a tps on the engine mines on the floorboard integrated peddle.anyways thanks for the hepl so far. I really want to do this but,only the stupid electronics got me baffled a little
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Old Jan 21, 2010 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DodgemnLeavem
I was wondering I can have everything from the other truck,(its a Wrecked 04 dually)any way to send in ecm to get flashed?


the truck Im getting this from has the elec transfer, mine is manual I want to keep it, are they both the same spline count or diff, Ive read there diff, have to change the input shaft from the other to mine to work..? I dont really want to change ecm's as i dont know if the 04 will work it dont have the same throttle peddle as mine, its cable to a tps on the engine mines on the floorboard integrated peddle.anyways thanks for the hepl so far. I really want to do this but,only the stupid electronics got me baffled a little
i could not tell you about the spline count. you will have issues with the harness I am thinking because of 1 being manual and other being electric t-cases. to be totally sure, i would call the dealer and see if the part numbers are different. mine is because of the can bus system. wished I could help further.
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Old Jan 21, 2010 | 07:17 PM
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canbus sucks

yeah that system sucks
thats what Im also wondering ,they sold the engine Kept the ecm and harness from truck but the engine went with the injector harness is this different than the one you speak of Im a little confused on that I know the auto harness is different than manual, but mostly for lights and such, and in this case it does the electric transfercase but Im not using it so I dont think I need to worry about those plugs.?? who knows
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Old Jan 21, 2010 | 07:48 PM
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What all parts are requred to swap an 06. I REALY REALY wana swap mine over. I cant stand this auto any more. From what I have read on here I take it I need teh harness for a manual version of my truck. Do I need any computers or can I use a smarty and flash it to manual myself? what hard parts besides the obviouse? Are frame crossmembers the same? When puting the cluch pedal in are the mounts there or do I have to drill them as well?

I have been thingking abought this a lot lately and this thread just got me going again. Not trying to hijack the thread. I will start a new thread with all my questions if ya want.
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Old Jan 21, 2010 | 11:27 PM
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you will also have to do the harness swap to make it work. reverse lights actuated by harness on tranny, 4x4 light actuated by harness on t-case and the auto tranny harness is different than the manual harness. that harness IS the engine harness
well that is the Harness that is from the Fire wall forward that even has all the headlights and such and hooks up to the fues box as well right? the manual 04 harness is different than mine it has two plugs that hook up to it,(the harness thats hooked to all the front lights and such and goes into the firewall to the inside) from the transmission so was just wondering if I could just flash the ecm (with smarty that I dont have)and hook up the wires to the reverse and to the transfer, and leave the rest alone?from my harness whats it matter if the ecm thinks its a manual??
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by bkrukow
What all parts are requred to swap an 06. I REALY REALY wana swap mine over. I cant stand this auto any more. From what I have read on here I take it I need teh harness for a manual version of my truck. Do I need any computers or can I use a smarty and flash it to manual myself? what hard parts besides the obviouse? Are frame crossmembers the same? When puting the cluch pedal in are the mounts there or do I have to drill them as well?

I have been thingking abought this a lot lately and this thread just got me going again. Not trying to hijack the thread. I will start a new thread with all my questions if ya want.


your best option would be to find an 06-07 5.9 with a manual that wants to swap. then set them side by side and start swapping.

tranny
pedal
pedal return spring
neutral safety switch
hydraulics and rod from pedal to master cyl
clutch
flywheel
tranny
driveshaft (as the auto and manual are different lengths)
steering column (sentry modules can be kept on original truck so you don't have to swap keys)
shifter
cut hole in floor for shifter (stamped in the sheet metal from the factory)
shifter boot
engine harness (not the headlight harness that runs across the firewall)
program ECM's in both trucks
tranny cross members (not fully positive that manual and auto are the same x member)

I know there might be more that I am forgetting but this is off the top of me head.
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by cbrahs
your best option would be to find an 06-07 5.9 with a manual that wants to swap. then set them side by side and start swapping.

engine harness (not the headlight harness that runs across the firewall)
program ECM's in both trucks


I know there might be more that I am forgetting but this is off the top of me head.
so your saying that the harness from the, ok look on the ECM there are TWO plugs,
the one near the back of engine(ecm) is the one your reffering to that goes to the tranny(engine harness,?)

and it also hooks up to the Harness that comes from the Driverside Firewall,Up near the Top of the engine there beside the brake booster.


that is also hooked up to the tipm(fuse box)and runs accross the firewall that Hooks up to the headlights?
that harness is one piece, the one with the headlights and hooks to the tipm,(fuse box) and goes inside the cab at the firewall.

On the harness that I have from the Manual tranny there are 2 plugs that hook to that ,(firewall) harness. AS WELL as hooking up to the harness that runs to the engine I need to take a picture,

Do I really need to hook all that crap up? i mean its only going to show reverse and 4x4 or 4x4lo thats it.right.? there is no Nutral safety switch on the 04 harness that I can find othere than the Clutch disengage switch that is on the clutch servo.
so why cant I just hook up those wires to those sensors and leave the rest as is, flash the computer and be done?Or does this automatic harness have to be undone. (i think outside the box on wires ) why change crap to just plug in things when you could do a few wire splices and be done. thats how im thinking I dont care about plugand play. if this would simplify things,(for me anyways) because in my truck those two plugs that are also on the Manual tranny engine harness dont hook up to My (firewall) harness there different, they will hook up to the harness from the other truck but I have to take out the fuse box and unhook all the healdights and all that stuff because thats the harness that the 04 tranny hooks to. so see where im going, with using the Auto harness instead.?
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 08:29 PM
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Also to do this ECM program everyone talks about I need to have a SMARTY. and I DONT, I dont want to just buy one for this swap, I have the power I need, without it I just need its usefulness for a few it seams, anyone willing to lend me it with the ecm program and Ill send it back. Id never keep something that isnt mine its not how we operate.
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DodgemnLeavem
Also to do this ECM program everyone talks about I need to have a SMARTY. and I DONT, I dont want to just buy one for this swap, I have the power I need, without it I just need its usefulness for a few it seams, anyone willing to lend me it with the ecm program and Ill send it back. Id never keep something that isnt mine its not how we operate.
what if you have an issue down the road, take it to the dealer for some odd ball reason and they flash it. your VIN says the truck has an auto. the flash will be an auto flash then you are screwed. the dealer won't flash the truck for you to make it think it is a manual because they don't have the capabilities to do it.
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DodgemnLeavem
so your saying that the harness from the, ok look on the ECM there are TWO plugs,
the one near the back of engine(ecm) is the one your reffering to that goes to the tranny(engine harness,?)

and it also hooks up to the Harness that comes from the Driverside Firewall,Up near the Top of the engine there beside the brake booster.


that is also hooked up to the tipm(fuse box)and runs accross the firewall that Hooks up to the headlights?
that harness is one piece, the one with the headlights and hooks to the tipm,(fuse box) and goes inside the cab at the firewall.

On the harness that I have from the Manual tranny there are 2 plugs that hook to that ,(firewall) harness. AS WELL as hooking up to the harness that runs to the engine I need to take a picture,

Do I really need to hook all that crap up? i mean its only going to show reverse and 4x4 or 4x4lo thats it.right.? there is no Nutral safety switch on the 04 harness that I can find othere than the Clutch disengage switch that is on the clutch servo.
so why cant I just hook up those wires to those sensors and leave the rest as is, flash the computer and be done?Or does this automatic harness have to be undone. (i think outside the box on wires ) why change crap to just plug in things when you could do a few wire splices and be done. thats how im thinking I dont care about plugand play. if this would simplify things,(for me anyways) because in my truck those two plugs that are also on the Manual tranny engine harness dont hook up to My (firewall) harness there different, they will hook up to the harness from the other truck but I have to take out the fuse box and unhook all the healdights and all that stuff because thats the harness that the 04 tranny hooks to. so see where im going, with using the Auto harness instead.?
don't know what to tell ya. if you are doing a swap, why not just swap the harness too. I have done a crap load of research on this and have heard guys spending 33 hours PER truck to get it to still have issues with 1 of the trucks. But mine also has can bus so I have no choice but to swap harnesses
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Old Jan 22, 2010 | 10:17 PM
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GOOD point.

Originally Posted by cbrahs
what if you have an issue down the road, take it to the dealer for some odd ball reason and they flash it. your VIN says the truck has an auto. the flash will be an auto flash then you are screwed. the dealer won't flash the truck for you to make it think it is a manual because they don't have the capabilities to do it.
in that case Im screwd anyways!@!@ I never take anything to this F(*&$%(*&$#ing dealership anyways ther crooks and they dont deserve ther 5star rating too many people hate this one and only dealership here. Ill take it someplace else first always have.

that is a good point however, (anyone wanna sell)lol

there is a great Diesel Doctor (thats there name) here there very good most go to them anyways with ther diesels. I havent talked to them but they should have that capability. Ill call them tomorrow.

so With the smarty is that what it does, change the vin or how does it (make it think its a manual) anyways.

I was just out in the shop with the truck up on the lift (thought hmmm what if) I unplugged everything from the tranny Tv actuator round plug under neath TV and the I think its a temp sensor on the OD section EXCEPT the position sensor you know ( p r n d 2 1 ) I left that on and the transfercase plug (Didnt unplug harness up near brake booster) you know what im talking about? and started right up although in limp mode, but it runs,would drive,( not right but would)
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