2006, 5.9, 24v: Electric Fan clutch to old style, not electric conversion
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Fan codes are soft codes. I have the Taurus electric fans on mine, run with the fan codes all the time. No CEL. I'm going with something other than the fan too. Mine was a booger to bleed the air out of. Once I got it out, new system worked well.
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I have to say again that it really must be something other than the fan.
I didn't think about the water pump but the above could be true with the impeller spinning on the shaft.
I didn't think about the water pump but the above could be true with the impeller spinning on the shaft.
Hi,
I don't post a lot, usually only when I have a problem. Well, new truck, new problem
I've spent countless hours over last winter and now again searching for my problem and a possible fix. Well, from what I can tell most of you are just upgrading to electric fans. I don't think that will work for me.
Background:
I often haul quite a bit in the summer (and little in winter). Sometimes 40,000+ miles in four months. My truck is connected to a 32 foot gooseneck filled with moving cargo for three weeks straight. The trailer alone, when full of supplies and horses weighs 18,000 + pounds. The roads have grades as steep as 12%, sometimes they go on for 12 miles before heading back down. Not to mention the temperatures rise to 100F often.
So needless to say, when something breaks, I prefer to upgrade instead of replace with stock. However...

The manufacturer of the Electric Fan replacements recommends not using their product for vehicles that haul what I do. Basically it is for trucks that barely work, if at all. That would be fine, except I work my truck, pretty hard.
Here's why I am asking if anyone has attempted and succeeded or failed at the conversion to old style, non electronically controlled fan clutches:
These events happened over a two month period while hauling heavy load cross country: I went through four fan clutches and two different brands, and am still running on a fan clutch that won't engage and cool my truck. I have removed the thermostat, in which had also been replaced once or twice trying to determine the issue. The large amount of liquid flow keeps the truck nice and cool. But alas it is winter time in Alaska and I am about to put another new one back in for heat inside the truck. This means my truck will go back to overheating (yes even at temps below zero outside) when worked, put into heavy traffic too long, or run at speeds over 75mph for long distances.
Over heat meaning the gauge went/goes/will go all the way to the red and the truck will warn to check them.
Two of the fan clutches I went through don't really count I guess, since one was bad bearings within a 1000 miles of use, the other bad right out of the box, didn't make it 40 miles. None of the fan clutches I install will engage properly and cool the truck, you can reach in and stop the fan by hand when the truck is hot.. don't try this at home
Initially I thought the issue to be a bad thermostat or gauge due to the truck not seeming or smelling hot, and the gauge jumping around. The thermostat replaced, and an external gauge was put on -it read out same as dash. The Fan Clutch replaced. A few days later in the haul the truck overheated to boiling point hauling the load up a dirt road slow speed steep hill. Another Fan Clutch was purchased and installed.
Shorten it up:
The truck was "babied" all the way home, and another one installed, this time a Mopar. It too does not work, will not engage, truck will not cool. I'm pulling my hair out at this point.
I don't want to buy electronic fan clutch number five or is it six? lol Because it will only give the same results, I'm sure. Told myself to just buy the electric conversion before buying the latest fan clutch. But I couldn't bring myself to pay a high price for something even the manufacturer of the item recommends not using for my application.
There has to be another issue we are all overlooking, Someone who has completed a conversion to non electronic, somebody else with a similar issue? Anything would help, I'm way open to any advise or opinions, anywhere to check or something to try.
Thank You for Help.
I don't post a lot, usually only when I have a problem. Well, new truck, new problem
I've spent countless hours over last winter and now again searching for my problem and a possible fix. Well, from what I can tell most of you are just upgrading to electric fans. I don't think that will work for me.Background:
I often haul quite a bit in the summer (and little in winter). Sometimes 40,000+ miles in four months. My truck is connected to a 32 foot gooseneck filled with moving cargo for three weeks straight. The trailer alone, when full of supplies and horses weighs 18,000 + pounds. The roads have grades as steep as 12%, sometimes they go on for 12 miles before heading back down. Not to mention the temperatures rise to 100F often.
So needless to say, when something breaks, I prefer to upgrade instead of replace with stock. However...


The manufacturer of the Electric Fan replacements recommends not using their product for vehicles that haul what I do. Basically it is for trucks that barely work, if at all. That would be fine, except I work my truck, pretty hard.
Here's why I am asking if anyone has attempted and succeeded or failed at the conversion to old style, non electronically controlled fan clutches:
These events happened over a two month period while hauling heavy load cross country: I went through four fan clutches and two different brands, and am still running on a fan clutch that won't engage and cool my truck. I have removed the thermostat, in which had also been replaced once or twice trying to determine the issue. The large amount of liquid flow keeps the truck nice and cool. But alas it is winter time in Alaska and I am about to put another new one back in for heat inside the truck. This means my truck will go back to overheating (yes even at temps below zero outside) when worked, put into heavy traffic too long, or run at speeds over 75mph for long distances.
Over heat meaning the gauge went/goes/will go all the way to the red and the truck will warn to check them.
Two of the fan clutches I went through don't really count I guess, since one was bad bearings within a 1000 miles of use, the other bad right out of the box, didn't make it 40 miles. None of the fan clutches I install will engage properly and cool the truck, you can reach in and stop the fan by hand when the truck is hot.. don't try this at home

Initially I thought the issue to be a bad thermostat or gauge due to the truck not seeming or smelling hot, and the gauge jumping around. The thermostat replaced, and an external gauge was put on -it read out same as dash. The Fan Clutch replaced. A few days later in the haul the truck overheated to boiling point hauling the load up a dirt road slow speed steep hill. Another Fan Clutch was purchased and installed.
Shorten it up:
The truck was "babied" all the way home, and another one installed, this time a Mopar. It too does not work, will not engage, truck will not cool. I'm pulling my hair out at this point.
I don't want to buy electronic fan clutch number five or is it six? lol Because it will only give the same results, I'm sure. Told myself to just buy the electric conversion before buying the latest fan clutch. But I couldn't bring myself to pay a high price for something even the manufacturer of the item recommends not using for my application.
There has to be another issue we are all overlooking, Someone who has completed a conversion to non electronic, somebody else with a similar issue? Anything would help, I'm way open to any advise or opinions, anywhere to check or something to try.
Thank You for Help.
been there and done that.. even OEM fan clutches are bad out of the box, ive changed four of the **** things in two years. I don't haul for a living like you do, but I do haul quite often, anywhere from 5000-15000 four or five times a month on average... OK, lets start with the simple, check all of your connections to your ECM, clean them out if you haven't, and put them all back on and zip tie them so that they don't come off, If you have a DTC P0483 its a soft fan code meaning that the Fan clutch either went above 4000 rpms, or below 75 rpms.. I have dealt with the issues of stopping it with my hand several times before. do not try It at home you say? I did, and it sucks.. anyways, there are ways to test the fan clutch, IIRC you can put 12 volts to pin 5 on the fan clutch connector, if the fan locks up, then the fan clutch is good.. another way to test the fan clutch is this way.. not sure if it will work up there with ya, but what I do is I just turn on the AC on full blast, and at the coldest, the fan should come on to help get the truck to a cooler temperature.. if not? well your clutch is toast.... finally, another technological way to get it done, on the truck, turn the key to the on position, unplug the fan clutch and at pin 6, you should have 5 or so volts to the fan clutch.. if you do, then id suspect the clutch is bad...
however, in your case, I would not rule out that you have a short somewhere in your system, has the truck been checked for DTCs? if so other than the fan clutch what are they? some codes can have an effect on another code as well.. it does happen, also, shot in the dark, are your batteries good? as well as your alternator? bad batteries can cause demons in these trucks as well...
going back to the short, are all of the grounds good, clean, and tight on your truck? might wanna check those, salty roads in Alaska may have gotten to them and they are not making good contact... and finally, my last bit of advise.. if your truck has AC check that pesky wire that runs close to the AC compressor, if it has chaffed through, you may have a problem... that may be causing all your demons.. suggestion? I wire loomed all exposed wiring, and tried to get them out of the way... speaking of AC.. I know that it sounds goofy, but at least in my 05, don't ask me how or why, the improper level of Freon in my system, would cause my fan clutch to act wonky and not come on as it should... or would overwork itself trying to keep truck cool, and eventually throw that P0483 code..
water pump.. when was it replaced? is yours good? I have seen corroded ones before,
coolant level, is the level ok? has the radiator been flushed and filled? if it was done improperly, you may have as others have said an air pocked causing your demons...
if none of these work, im guessing as well as others that you may have blown a head gasket, any coolant leaks? any coolant out of the head?
sorry for the long post, but being there and having done that.. this is all I can suggest..
oh also as a factoid.. the electric fans, flexalites or what you call them, don't flow as many cfm as the stock fan on our dodges... thus why they are not recommended for your line of work.. my buddy replaced his FC on his 06 with flexalites.. no more than a few weeks later.. back to the old system he went...
there is also a mechanical fan clutch adaptor for our commonrails that some diesel shop sells, that runs off of a 7.3 liter powerstroke fan and fan clutch.. but a fan four inches or so smaller in diameter? well that's not gonna cut it when hauling..
thanks
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