I have a chance to get a complete 12v motor with P7100 pump and anything else I need. How big of a project would it be to put this in my 99?

1. Would the motor mounts be the same?
2. Would it bolt up to my auto?
3. Can I use my FASS?
4. Would there be any computer related issues?

Not sure if this deal will go though but want to lookin to this things before I commit.

Thanks

 

Why do you want to swap?? Is there anything wrong with your 24V?

 

It mostly started with the research I have been doing on using WVO ( waste veggy oil ). Was talking about it with a friend.(he has a 96 cummins) I was telling him about the possible problems with the Vp44 and heated WVO. I started to tell him his truck was a prime candidate and he told me that he knows where I could get the 12v and anything I need to do the swap real cheap. So I started thinking ?? 220,000 miles on odometer, VP44 issues in general, use WVO and not having to pay $3.30 a gal??

Anyway good reason or not if it is not a huge project and I can get the 12v for what I want. I think it would be worth it.

 

you could swap the vp for a p pump

 

Swapping the engines might be less work mechanically, but there will be a lot of electrical issues (unless it happens to be a 98, then it might make it simpler). P-pump swap, you have to go into the engine a ways, but electrically, its a breeze. Only thing that your really need to do with wiring is hooking up the shutoff solenoid, if you decide you want one. You could just use a pull cable instead. How much for the 12v? You'll need injector lines, everything else you should be able to rob from the 12v.

 

I have thought of the p-pump conversion. I see that you have done it. I read many pages on the conversion but havn't found a how-to or a parts list. I saw a link that took me to a kit that was $1,800. If the deal goes through I'll get the whole engine for less than that. I would like to do just the pump but need to SEE what I am getting into.

If I knew I could run WVO with the VP44 I wouldn't be thinking of doing this but a couple of the companys that sell the kits highly recommened not doing it.

 

If you quote my post, and copy the list into notepad, the formatting should work out a lot better than it looks here. This is all the parts that came with the Schied's kit. I still had to deal with low pressure fuel lines, oil fittings into the pump (although there is another way around that that I learned here afterwards), shut off solenoid, return line, overflow valve, and I'm sure theres other things. You will also want a timing set, although its not required. You will need a way to find TDC accurately on your engine. Any questions, just ask.

Cummins P/N Desc. Qty. Add. Info

4003580 Pump support bracket 1
3924346 Tee fitting (Tee, BRN) 1
3928231 M8x1.25mm x 25mm Torx screw (2) 1
3928898 Fuel Pump Brace 1
3937123 M10x1.50 x 50mm Stud (4) 1
3913994 O-ring, Timing Plug 1
3907998 M5x0.80 x 16mm screw Torx (2) 1 Timing Pin housing screw
3902662 M10x1.50 Flange Nut (4) 1
3969698 O-ring, Pump Seal 1
3804899 Front Cover Lip Seal 1
3915772 Seal Ring 1 Cam Sensor Seal
3913366 M8x1.25 x 90mm Cap Screw 9.8 (2) 1 25mm long thread
3901445 M8x1.25 x 45mm Cap Screw 9.8 (1) 1 25mm long thread
3918673 Front Timing Cover Gasket 1
3938156 Rear Timing Housing Gasket 1 Between Block and Housing
3936256 Timing Housing 1
3931382 Pump Gear 1

Linkage Kit

3938397 Linkage Rod 1
3923158 Linkage Mechanism, Clock Spring 1
3923161 Bracket 1
3931527 Linkage Mechanism 1 Degreed from 59 to 73 degrees
3930407 Linkage Bracket 1 5 Tapped holes
3914353 White Plastic Bushing 1 Bushes 3930407 and 3923158
3990095 Linkage Rod End 1
??????? M6x1.00 x 101mm rod 1 40mm and 66mm long threads
??????? M6x1.00 nuts 2 Jammed together on above rod, on 66mm long thread
3931546 Bracket 1 Looks like a shifter fork
??????? Linkage Rod End 1 10mm shorter than 3990095
??????? Spring, 11mm OD, 30mm coil, 80mm long 1 Plastic clip on each end, marked 'B' and 'I'
??????? Spring, 12mm OD, 25mm coil, 90mm long 1 Plastic Clip on one end, marked 'E'
??????? Spring, 15mm OD, 25mm coil, 80mm long 1 Plastic clip on each eng, marked 'G' and 'J'
??????? M8x1.25 x 20mm Bolt, 8.8 1
??????? M8 flat washer 1
??????? M8x1.25 x 12mm Cap Screw 3 Flanged, 10mm head
??????? M6x1.00 x 15mm Cap Screw 2 Flanged, 8mm head
??????? M6x1.00 x 10mm Linkage Ball 1 25mm overall length, 10mm ball end, 11mm hex base
??????? M6x1.00 Nuts 3
??????? M6x1.00 Nut 1 Plated
??????? M5x0.80 x 10mm Cap Screw 3 Flanged, 7mm head
??????? #6-32 x 3/8" Machine screw 1 Flanged, 1/4" head, slotted
??????? Lock Clip 1




Not Listed by Scheids
3969988 Grid heater Gasket 2
??????? M8x1.25 x 200mm Socket Head Cap Screw 2 30mm long thread
??????? M8x1.25 x 180mm Socket Head Cap Screw 2 30mm long thread
??????? Grid Heater Spacer 1 Aluminum, 1" thick



Scheid P/N

2-915-032-031 M20x1.50 Nut 1 Pump Shaft Nut
2-916-699-091 M20 Lock Washer 1 Pump Shaft Washer
417ISB Cam Sensor Ad. Adapter, Cam Sensor 1
417ISB PP Line Kit P-Pump/ISB Injector Lines 1

Bosch P/N

2 413 455 013-000 M14x1.50 OD, M10x1.00 ID Nut 1 Reducer Nut

Aeroquip
657AERO1503-4 3/16 Aero Hose, 2 ft M51 1
657AERO4411-4-4S -4AN Swivel Connection M51 2 Crimped on Hose

Misc. P/N

139969 Pipe Nipple 1 Thread OD roughly 11mm or 7/16"

 

I assume that you bought there kit to do the conversion? If I have to pay that kind of money for the kit. I would think I would be better off just swapping the whole engine.

thanks for that parts list.

 

Yep, its not cheap. Getting the 12v and stealing parts would be the cheaper way, or like you're saying, swap in the 12v and sell the 24v. But theres lots of 12v's, not many p-pumped 24v.