2002 Cummins Diesel Warrenty
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That's based on what?
When I look at the fine print at the bottom left of the inside back cover of my 2001 Warranty Information booklet, I see this text: "Warranty coverage applies to all vehicle owners".
As far as I'm concerned, "all" includes "third".
EDIT: and back to that nasty Federal law again.... if the warranty doesn't apply to all owners, that fact must be explicitly disclosed in the written warranty terms - the warranty booklet that came with your truck. 16 CFR 701.3(a)(1).
When I look at the fine print at the bottom left of the inside back cover of my 2001 Warranty Information booklet, I see this text: "Warranty coverage applies to all vehicle owners".
As far as I'm concerned, "all" includes "third".
EDIT: and back to that nasty Federal law again.... if the warranty doesn't apply to all owners, that fact must be explicitly disclosed in the written warranty terms - the warranty booklet that came with your truck. 16 CFR 701.3(a)(1).
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I bought my truck at a used car lot two years ago with 46000 miles at around 69000 the IP went out, the truck had all of the factory manuels in the truck, one day long before the pump went out I was just browsing through the red warranty book and I noticed that it said 5years or 100,000 miles. I had that in mind when I got the P0216 code, took it to the dealer and they covered everything the only thing I had to pay for was a new fuel filter they put in. They never asked if I was the original owner or anything. As far as they knew I had a cummins with a problem that had less than 100,000 miles on it. I couldent of been happier!!!!
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That's based on what?
When I look at the fine print at the bottom left of the inside back cover of my 2001 Warranty Information booklet, I see this text: "Warranty coverage applies to all vehicle owners".
As far as I'm concerned, "all" includes "third".
EDIT: and back to that nasty Federal law again.... if the warranty doesn't apply to all owners, that fact must be explicitly disclosed in the written warranty terms - the warranty booklet that came with your truck. 16 CFR 701.3(a)(1).
When I look at the fine print at the bottom left of the inside back cover of my 2001 Warranty Information booklet, I see this text: "Warranty coverage applies to all vehicle owners".
As far as I'm concerned, "all" includes "third".
EDIT: and back to that nasty Federal law again.... if the warranty doesn't apply to all owners, that fact must be explicitly disclosed in the written warranty terms - the warranty booklet that came with your truck. 16 CFR 701.3(a)(1).
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There are at least two problems with using the diagram at the beginning of the Warranty Information booklet as a definition of when warranties begin:
1. Federal law (16 CFR 701.3(a)) requires that written warranties be disclosed in "simple and readily understood language". My Warranty Information booklet is written in the English language. That language does not use "pictographs". The "bar graph" at the beginning of the booklet does not comply with the statute's requirements.
2. Notwithstanding (1) above, the "bar graph" tells us nothing about when the various warranties begin. It merely describes durations. Note that the "Basic Limited Warranty" does not begin at "0" miles on the odometer - it begins when you take delivery of the truck. The odometer could display 100 miles at that time, but the bar graph makes no such allowance. Thus, the bar graph isn't telling us about "the point in time or event on which the warranty term commences"; it's merely describing "the time period or other measurement of warranty duration" (16 CFR 701.3(a)(4)).
There is only one document that defines the terms of the warranty: the Warranty Information booklet. That document only defines one time or event on which the [Cummins Diesel Engine Limited] warranty commences": the end of the Basic Limited Warranty.
1. Federal law (16 CFR 701.3(a)) requires that written warranties be disclosed in "simple and readily understood language". My Warranty Information booklet is written in the English language. That language does not use "pictographs". The "bar graph" at the beginning of the booklet does not comply with the statute's requirements.
2. Notwithstanding (1) above, the "bar graph" tells us nothing about when the various warranties begin. It merely describes durations. Note that the "Basic Limited Warranty" does not begin at "0" miles on the odometer - it begins when you take delivery of the truck. The odometer could display 100 miles at that time, but the bar graph makes no such allowance. Thus, the bar graph isn't telling us about "the point in time or event on which the warranty term commences"; it's merely describing "the time period or other measurement of warranty duration" (16 CFR 701.3(a)(4)).
There is only one document that defines the terms of the warranty: the Warranty Information booklet. That document only defines one time or event on which the [Cummins Diesel Engine Limited] warranty commences": the end of the Basic Limited Warranty.
That is because all warranties start at 0 miles. The bar graph is plain and simple.
As far as chrysler is concerened it is a new truck and the miles start at zero [0]. I am sure they take into consideration a 100 or so for demonstration purpose. The warranty starts time wise the day the papers are signed. Any excess miles at delivery would be up to the selling dealer to make good over the let say 36,000 mile chrysler provision.
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Is that what your warranty booklet says?
Why bother with the dealer? If the booklet describes a warranty, that warranty applies to all consumer owners - unless the warranty booklet says otherwise.
It reallly amazes me that people will actually turn to the dealer and/or DC when trying to determine warranty coverage. It should be obvious that DC, as well as their agent (the dealer), has financial interests different from the consumer.
There are exactly two sources of information regarding your warranty: the written document that came with your truck, and Title 16, Part 701 of the Code of Federal Regulations (16 CFR 701). Anything that a dealer or DC says, if it conflicts with these other two sources, is irrelevant. (Your home state may have further consumer protections - I only mention the Federal law because it applies to most of us.)
I will check at my dealer because i have the 7/75 and see what the transferability is.
It reallly amazes me that people will actually turn to the dealer and/or DC when trying to determine warranty coverage. It should be obvious that DC, as well as their agent (the dealer), has financial interests different from the consumer.
There are exactly two sources of information regarding your warranty: the written document that came with your truck, and Title 16, Part 701 of the Code of Federal Regulations (16 CFR 701). Anything that a dealer or DC says, if it conflicts with these other two sources, is irrelevant. (Your home state may have further consumer protections - I only mention the Federal law because it applies to most of us.)
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Is that what your warranty booklet says?
Why bother with the dealer? If the booklet describes a warranty, that warranty applies to all consumer owners - unless the warranty booklet says otherwise.
It reallly amazes me that people will actually turn to the dealer and/or DC when trying to determine warranty coverage. It should be obvious that DC, as well as their agent (the dealer), has financial interests different from the consumer.
There are exactly two sources of information regarding your warranty: the written document that came with your truck, and Title 16, Part 701 of the Code of Federal Regulations (16 CFR 701). Anything that a dealer or DC says, if it conflicts with these other two sources, is irrelevant. (Your home state may have further consumer protections - I only mention the Federal law because it applies to most of us.)
Why bother with the dealer? If the booklet describes a warranty, that warranty applies to all consumer owners - unless the warranty booklet says otherwise.
It reallly amazes me that people will actually turn to the dealer and/or DC when trying to determine warranty coverage. It should be obvious that DC, as well as their agent (the dealer), has financial interests different from the consumer.
There are exactly two sources of information regarding your warranty: the written document that came with your truck, and Title 16, Part 701 of the Code of Federal Regulations (16 CFR 701). Anything that a dealer or DC says, if it conflicts with these other two sources, is irrelevant. (Your home state may have further consumer protections - I only mention the Federal law because it applies to most of us.)
You go to the dealer and tell them you have a 8/136,000 mile warranty and demand them to fix it you will get shown the door real fast.
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If the original consumer purchaser took delivery on a 2001 Dodge Ram when that truck had 15 miles on the odometer, that consumer's "Basic Limited Warranty" ended at the earlier of: a) 3 years after the date the consumer took delivery or b) when the odometer read 36,015.
The "bar graph" does not take the above into consideration - it doesn't define the various warranties' "begins at" points. None of the warranties begin at 0 miles on the odometer - unless that's what the odometer said when the consumer took delivery.
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You go to the dealer and tell them you have a 8/136,000 mile warranty and demand them to fix it you will get shown the door real fast.
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Well ya can check out Cummins website, next to last paragraph. It backs up what's in the owners warranty manual about beginning at the end of the 3 yr. basic.
http://www.everytime.cummins.com/eve...9_warranty.jsp
http://www.everytime.cummins.com/eve...9_warranty.jsp
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Well ya can check out Cummins website, next to last paragraph. It backs up what's in the owners warranty manual about beginning at the end of the 3 yr. basic.
http://www.everytime.cummins.com/eve...9_warranty.jsp
http://www.everytime.cummins.com/eve...9_warranty.jsp
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Utter rubbish. Some warranties start "the date you take delivery of the truck". The odometer reading at that time is irrelevant.
If the original consumer purchaser took delivery on a 2001 Dodge Ram when that truck had 15 miles on the odometer, that consumer's "Basic Limited Warranty" ended at the earlier of: a) 3 years after the date the consumer took delivery or b) when the odometer read 36,015.
The "bar graph" does not take the above into consideration - it doesn't define the various warranties' "begins at" points. None of the warranties begin at 0 miles on the odometer - unless that's what the odometer said when the consumer took delivery.
If the original consumer purchaser took delivery on a 2001 Dodge Ram when that truck had 15 miles on the odometer, that consumer's "Basic Limited Warranty" ended at the earlier of: a) 3 years after the date the consumer took delivery or b) when the odometer read 36,015.
The "bar graph" does not take the above into consideration - it doesn't define the various warranties' "begins at" points. None of the warranties begin at 0 miles on the odometer - unless that's what the odometer said when the consumer took delivery.
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That's correct, but don't you think it an unlikely coincidence that Cummins quotes the very same wording in DaimlerChrysler's Warranty?
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There really isn't any other way, for anyone who can read the English language, for this to be interpreted.
