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Old Aug 31, 2007 | 12:56 AM
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Power and Torque gains??

Can anyone approx. what kind of horse power and torque Im getting from the mods Ive done
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Old Aug 31, 2007 | 02:19 AM
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Have you done any intake or exhaust mods at all? Did you notice much difference with the 16cm housing? If you ever head up north towards Courtenay shoot me a message.
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Old Aug 31, 2007 | 08:23 AM
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If I was to wager a guess it would be 210/490. But that is just a guess.
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Old Sep 2, 2007 | 07:49 PM
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The gauges are installed and boost says its 25psi max. The Pyrometer says 1100f max. To me this seems normal and maybe these numbers will help with my original question.

Can anyone tell me if my boost and pyro readings are about normal for what Ive done? I haven't towed anything yet.
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Old Sep 2, 2007 | 09:54 PM
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"Tweaked pump" needs further clarification. There is tweaking, and then there is TWEAKING. But, with 22psi, and the 1psi=10hp rule, you would be close to the 210/490 guesstimated by timb. You can take the HP and multiply it by 2.4-2.8 to get the torque in the 1stGens.

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Old Sep 2, 2007 | 10:14 PM
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rule

1st time i herd of that rule where does that rule come from
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Old Sep 3, 2007 | 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Tron
Can anyone approx. what kind of horse power and torque Im getting from the mods Ive done
I don't see in your profile whether this is an auto or manual transmission. Big difference in what you put to the road at the rear wheels.

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Old Sep 3, 2007 | 07:23 PM
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Have you done any intake or exhaust mods at all? Did you notice much difference with the 16cm housing? If you ever head up north towards Courtenay shoot me a message.
The housing made a noticable difference for sure but I think the biggest increase was the fuel pin combined with the housing. It's getting good boost and really impressive power gain for very little $. I have the pump set so that it leaves a slight black haze at full throttle. It'll churp the tires now when it hits full boost. I had the muffler removed for a while but couldn't stand it so I put a stainless 3" Magnaflow now its nice and quiet but not stock quiet.
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Old Sep 4, 2007 | 01:12 AM
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The housing made a noticable difference for sure but I think the biggest increase was the fuel pin combined with the housing. It's getting good boost and really impressive power gain for very little $. I have the pump set so that it leaves a slight black haze at full throttle. It'll churp the tires now when it hits full boost. I had the muffler removed for a while but couldn't stand it so I put a stainless 3" Magnaflow now its nice and quiet but not stock quiet.
I'm planning to do the 16cm housing/ HX35 soon, just gotta find one cheap enough...
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Old Sep 7, 2007 | 06:49 AM
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I don't get it, what mod are needed to get 300hp out of this engines? Are this #'s at the wheels? I already get that out of My current engine with only a turbo and a tweaked pump.
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Old Sep 7, 2007 | 11:55 AM
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The 1psi=10hp only works to a limit. Im capable of 45-46psi of boost in my truck without the wastegate hooked up. I wish I was a 460hp .
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Old Sep 8, 2007 | 07:03 AM
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Anyone???

I'd really like to know, there are many opinions bout this but I'd like to know it from someone who has this #'s and uses it to tow not playing.

Thank You.
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Old Sep 8, 2007 | 11:04 AM
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I'd really like to know, there are many opinions bout this but I'd like to know it from someone who has this #'s and uses it to tow not playing.

Thank You.
The first-gen (89-93) Dodge trucks were designed around a de-rated, but very reliable, Cummins engine. Dodge advertised them at 160hp/400# torque. The systems attached to the engine were only so robust as to support those numbers. For instance, the exhaust & intake were small, the torque converter in the automatic slipped and generated heat, the injection pump was not aggressively set up and its timing was retarded from maximum. There are many other truck design issues like these.

My truck, when stock, dyno'd at 134hp. You can see the mods in my sig that take it to 308rwhp/668tq. It tows very nicely.

If you're taking a Cummins into a Ford, you could perform equivalent mods (ignoring the auto trans ones, since you have a manual transmission). These would be better injectors, tweak up the pump and its timing, big intake, big exhaust, and maybe a better turbo (mine is original on the compression, smaller exhaust orifice to spool better).

The later Cummins engines (94-98.5) used a different injection pump that provided more fuel flow to get greater horsepower. But they also became more computer-controlled, so you'd have to figure that out. At least ours don't need the computer to run.

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Old Sep 8, 2007 | 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DBF
The first-gen (89-93) Dodge trucks were designed around a de-rated, but very reliable, Cummins engine. Dodge advertised them at 160hp/400# torque. The systems attached to the engine were only so robust as to support those numbers. For instance, the exhaust & intake were small, the torque converter in the automatic slipped and generated heat, the injection pump was not aggressively set up and its timing was retarded from maximum. There are many other truck design issues like these.

My truck, when stock, dyno'd at 134hp. You can see the mods in my sig that take it to 308rwhp/668tq. It tows very nicely.

If you're taking a Cummins into a Ford, you could perform equivalent mods (ignoring the auto trans ones, since you have a manual transmission). These would be better injectors, tweak up the pump and its timing, big intake, big exhaust, and maybe a better turbo (mine is original on the compression, smaller exhaust orifice to spool better).

The later Cummins engines (94-98.5) used a different injection pump that provided more fuel flow to get greater horsepower. But they also became more computer-controlled, so you'd have to figure that out. At least ours don't need the computer to run.

Regards, DBF

Thank You for taking the time for this. I see You have pod's are this ok for towing all the time? I thought some use the bosch 190's for that reason. What kind of mileage do You get with this?

Btw, I just need to put the engine on My truck if I use the one I have but whether it is this one or another one, I'm almost sure it will be a 1st gen hands down, NO computer for Me.
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Old Sep 8, 2007 | 08:24 PM
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the 12 valve 2nd gens are mechanical as well. the heads flow a bit more air and the pump can definately outfuel the VE. If you can find one for a decent price that would be the way to go for big power. The VE is VERY capable of 300hp, but you know how it is once you get on that slippery slope, lol, you'll want more... and more... and...you get it.
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