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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 07:55 AM
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ive raced and beat hopped-up common rails. being quik is more than dyno queen raw hp #,s. the ve cant fuel enough at hi rpm to make the hi dyno #,s. it is a very quik accelerating pump, due to dynamic timing and other factors. it fuels hard down low. i,m wanting to run a 1/4 mile for kicks. ive only raced 5or 6 trucks and beat them all 0-85. ran out of room by then. if it was all about hp we,d be driving somthing else. the ve makes usuable power on acceleration.
There is no doubt a lower horsepower VE could take a little bit higher horsepower P7100 or Common Rail, but there is no way a VE with only pump tweaking and a stock auto could even launch as hard as a 600rwhp Common Rail.

I'm not saying the OP is lying to us, I think he was lied to by the guy with the Common Rail. The only way I could see it is if the Common Rail has a huge, laggy turbo, and failed to do a boosted launch.

I noticed you left the VP off the list of ones you love.


I still fail to see how manually shifting the auto would help. The VE fuels hardest down low, so if it shifts earlier, it will be getting more power, so it would go faster. I've never heard of anyone else manually shifting an auto, especially in drag racing, unless they have a manual valve body. Maybe with a stock auto it does make a difference, but I can't see why it would.
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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 08:38 AM
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peobryant-seen some good runnin vp,s, but no, not on my list. obviosly when it really has to make big power,like your brothers p-pump in your sig, the ve comes up a little short.but as others on here have found,its strengths keep it in the running. manually shifting a stock auto does help,they tend to shift a little early with stock valve body.
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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 06:21 PM
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I'm starting to think the 9 cm housing has something to do with it as well.

I just took mine for a test drive after messing with the screw. It's awesome up to 85, then it falls off.

I was kind of contemplating getting a "real" turbo with a 12 or 14 cm housing, but... do I really need to accelerate hard past 85 mph?
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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by The_Head
I'm starting to think the 9 cm housing has something to do with it as well.

I just took mine for a test drive after messing with the screw. It's awesome up to 85, then it falls off.

I was kind of contemplating getting a "real" turbo with a 12 or 14 cm housing, but... do I really need to accelerate hard past 85 mph?
Only if your on a drag strip . Seriously though, i have thought about that same thing. My set up is plenty fast enough for the street. We are driving bricks on wheels they should only go so fast driving on the street. I think my biggest reason to get a "real" turbo would be to help keep things cooler when something is attached to the hitch.
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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 06:33 PM
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yep it helps a lot, especially since I have the 366 spring. It will definately get my rpms up and pull hard, then when i shift up to the next gear, it will throw you back in your seat cuz it just takes off and pulls harder, I can't even explain it, but it definately helps!

And I know that 3rd gen guy said his tranny was slippin, and he did have at least a 6" lift and at least 38" tires, so that would've slowed him down quite a bit, plus his truck is a lot heavier, and I didn't beat him, he beat me by about 2 car lengths, but both of us were still surprised with my 1st gen, I do think my 1st gen runs pretty dang good though, With only an he351 turbo, 366 spring, and my afc lever taken out and the full power screw in a few turns, and i am pushin 40 lbs of boost with my stock i/c injectors?
adjusting your T.V. cable would allow the tranny to wind out the gears. That along with a potentiometer to set your OD engagement point would completely eliminate the need to manually shift your automatic transmission.
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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by The_Head
I'm starting to think the 9 cm housing has something to do with it as well.

I just took mine for a test drive after messing with the screw. It's awesome up to 85, then it falls off.

I was kind of contemplating getting a "real" turbo with a 12 or 14 cm housing, but... do I really need to accelerate hard past 85 mph?
Head: is your waste gate operational? I'm curious how relieving back pressure will help. I hear that sometimes on dyno queens they turn DOWN boost once in awhile and get better numbers since the extra boost isn't helping, so reducing drive pressure helps more.
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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 06:49 PM
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When your driving a hopped up 1st gen with an auto manually shifting it just lets it wind out, you wouldn't believe the way it'll feel if as soon as it shifts into 3rd (727) , shift it down to 2nd and it'll put you back in the seat and get the RPM's up then shift into 3rd

My dad ALWAYS does it when we're bombin around in the 91' and it used to bother me but then he showed me how strong it is if you don't let it shift into 3rd until late, its awesome ...the truck we're driving now has an abnormally tight converter in it, it runs 100 rpm's lower running 70 than the other 91 did with the same setup, and thats GPS mph, not on the speedos
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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 08:05 PM
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There is an adjustment on the valve body that can change the shifts to high speeds. It would be a trial & error to get it to the max speed for each gear before defueling. There is another adjustment to increase line pressure which helps to prevent slippage when these engines are making more power.
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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 08:39 PM
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Head: is your waste gate operational?
No it's not actually. It has been removed. I'm only hitting about 38 lbs of boost though. Maybe the wastegate is opening by itself at that pressure? I dunno. I don't remember if it was welded shut or not.

I am starting to feel that the truck is just about fast enough for me. Like I said before, anything past 80 is kind of scary on these old school suspensions.

I think that light to light its fairly respectable though.
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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 08:43 PM
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We need steering column mounted acceleration videos John
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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 08:51 PM
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I will see what I can do.
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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 09:09 PM
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What kind of boost #'s are you guys running with the 9cm HE351 cruising at say 70mph on level ground? Just curious. My 12cm HX35 runs about 6psi, which is too much for my taste. It's hurting my mileage too.
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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 09:32 PM
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mine runs at 12 psi, my hx35/12 anyways
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Old Aug 20, 2009 | 09:33 PM
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7 or 8. somewhere in there. 6 isn't hurting your mileage. You want under 10 and less than 700 EGT for good mileage.
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Old Aug 21, 2009 | 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by The_Head
No it's not actually. It has been removed. I'm only hitting about 38 lbs of boost though. Maybe the wastegate is opening by itself at that pressure? I dunno. I don't remember if it was welded shut or not.

I am starting to feel that the truck is just about fast enough for me. Like I said before, anything past 80 is kind of scary on these old school suspensions.

I think that light to light its fairly respectable though.
Your only runnin 38 lbs of boost??? and you have bigger injectors? I have stock i/c injectors and i'm runnin 40 lbs with my he351. I bet your wastegate is opening from drive pressure, I had a not very tight spring on my wastegate at first when i first put the he351 on and the wastegate would open at 10 lbs. So then i made a little bracket and hooked the turnbuckle i had on my hy35 on to it and tightened it down so it wouldn't open at all, then i could hit 40 I'm gonna use the j-hook off my old hy and put it where i have my turnbuckle on my he351, So then it will have a tighter spring and hopefully i can get it to open at 35 lbs from the drive pressure, I haven't done it yet, but i think it will work.

I'm gonna get a better torque converter, a shift kit, and probably have my trans gone through to see if it needs rebuilding or not before i add any more power to this ol girl. But i'm just waitin on extra money. Then it will be time for head work, then I can get some real injectors and a lp piston lift pump, and probably a water/meth kit, then this truck will be a different animal. But this will probably take me another 2 years to get there.

Oh and that 3rd gen i raced did beat me off the line, but not by much, and he just stayed a little ahead of me and pulled away a little bit, but i stayed with him most the time, but in the end he only beat me by about 2 car lengths, so he definately didn't blow me out of the water. And this is back when I had my hy35 on my truck, not the he351.

With the he351, cruisin at about 70, I usually run about 6 to 10 lbs of boost depending on if I'm on a slight hill or not, My egts never go above 800 though if i am cruisin at 70mph. Its usually around 650-700, depending on the conditions. This turbo definately helped my mileage! It spools quick, runs cool, and keeps you movin.
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