I thought 2nd gen injectors had a different pop off pressure?

 

You can run 2nd gen tips right now. There are very minimal differences between the VE pistons and the 2nd gen pistons. The ones with the different piston bowls are the Non I/C trucks.

 

P pump injectors do have a differant pop off pressure.

 

Didn't you talk about that stroker kit before? I'm going to hold you to it this time. Let us know what you find out!!!!

 

Youls have to run a 155* spray angle with indusrials

 

Yep i posted a thread on it a while back, seein what you guys thought about it. Well i called freedom diesel a little bit ago and talked to Isaac. He said that the kit wasn't supposed to be in the ad i saw, and it was accidentally put in. But he said they did do a few, and that they aren't doing them anymore because of liability. He said they changed the crank (for a different crank throw to make a longer stroke) and He said they changed the pistons too and he said they usually bored them a little too so it would end up to be like a 6.5 or 6.6 with it bored and stroked. I'm not sure if they change the rod or not, he didn't say, but i'm guessin they do. He said that they sold it as a kit and said you had to do some machining to the motor to get it to work (I'm not sure exactly what) but he said that some of the guys he sold them to didn't do the machining and it didn't work out for them causing a liability issue, so thats why he said he's not doing them anymore. He said it did give more horsepower, but mostly more torque with the longer stroke. He said it gave about 35% to 40% more torque. I asked how much this kit he sold cost and he said it was just around $2000 for it all, which in my mind actually isn't too bad, cuz technically thats a fresh rebuild with a bigger stroke and bore giving more powa!!! He said he knew of some other places that were startin to do stroker kits for the cummins and that some were even doin them without having to have the motor machined, and some not even having them have to be bored out. He couldn't remember the phone number of this place off the top of his head, but he said that they are out there and I am searching!!! I think it would definately be cool to try and would be rare!

Oh i was thinkin all the 1st gens had different piston bowls than the 2nd gen 12 valves and the spray angles were different, creating not as good of a burn.

So what about a different cam? I've heard that its not worth the money and i've heard that it is, What cam would be the best? I'm not sure if i'll change it or not, but depending on how much it will give me.

 

Thanks for the follow up. I'm sure you have seen it time and time again..If you do a P pump. Do the whole engine. Bought one here for $500. 140000 miles. Reason why they took it out, white smoke. Simple cure, overflow valve. Cost too much to swap yours over. Unless like me, you get a complete.....Cheap.

 

Cam does make a difference Specially in a 91.5+ truck.



Just did a old school pdr cam in a buddys 96. It pulls nice and smooth threw the whole rpm range now. It lost some etgs and the hx 35 lights at a lower rpm now too.


I run a fletcher cam in my truck. Lights my super 40 really quick - enough to make wheelspin w/o trying. I gained egts, but thats my own fault. The power screw got turned abit and I dont have a ic yet.

The exhaust note changed too - much deeper. Im told it sounds like a big diesel.

 

yeah thats what i have heard, I really do wanna stay VE pump though. And if i did happen to go p-pump, thats what i would do is buy a whole different motor and built it up and then drop it in. I want to be in the high-horsepower range though with the VE pump someday. What is the record of horsepower a VE pumped 1st gen has made? isn't it a bit over 600hp? I want to beat that or at least get close to that someday. That is my goal. The more i think about all of this, the more i get excited about it. I would love to tear my motor out and start workin on it now... but just don't have the money to do anything with it right now. I know i am only 16(almost 17) years old and I have only had my truck about a year and a half but i have learned a ton from all you guys and from my dad who is a diesel mechanic. I have the diesel bug and plan on bein a diesel mechanic too someday. I just have that desire to work on these things and get more power out of them. It really is addicting, but fun. Thanks for all the help again guys!!!

Oh and another thought came to me... what about millin/shaving the head?

 

yeh i remember when i was 16 and had my diesel addiction, it was all fun and games untill i went broke doing it and bought another one. right now im having both trannies gone through, both just needed new tires, haha funny story, i was on my way home from les schwab and my tranny lost every gear but 4th, one needs a radiator because i shoved a huge intercooler infront of it, basicly im sayin think about what your saying and go to school first, dont end up like me with an addiction and no money, especialy no money to get an education. im serious, take this as the best advice anyone on hear will give you. someday you will need a new set of tires, then a tranny, then one day you will notice you lost a pinon bearing and have to rebuild the front end, and then you flat cam your injection pump. and it all happens within 2 monthes, and guess what, your 2500$ pickup just turned to junk. dont ask me how i know. and just to top it off, your heater doesnt work in the winter.

 

thanks for the advice man, I understand what you mean. And don't worry i do plan on goin to school and becomin a diesel mechanic, followin my dad's foot steps. Or i've thought about becoming an electrician, but i'm leanin towards mechanic because i like doin this kind of stuff. I got this truck for a good deal (just traded my grandpa my 91 nissan ricer truck for it), So the way i think about it, is I didn't pay much for the truck, so might as well put the money It would take to buy a decent cummins into this truck and make it one heck of a 1st gen. I've already changed out a lot of the stuff that goes bad on these trucks and i know there will be some more things that will go, but that's why i'm waitin to make sure I have more than enough money to do it all and then do all these mods at once.

 

680 and change. Not now though.. Stomp blew his pump up. 14mm HIGH HP pumps are too unreliable. I'd like to see a 700hp "DAILY DRIVER" VE. Not going to happen with a modded factory pump. No matter how much funds you throw at it. Over 700 with twins, and even a little 160hp P pump happens. Ask J. Garmon. One person on CompD talked about doing a billet VE. Why? That would take a boatload of cash, just like the P pump SIGMA pump. Which btw the Sigma is sitting at 15 thou per copy for a new pump. The factory VE has seen it limits.

 

yeh im going to school as an appretice to be a journeyman lineman and im excited. and you made a big mistake selling the nissan, as much as i hate mine its the only thing that cosistantly runs when the dodge go, which by the way the both do. i had a ranger and it was a piece but it ran up and down the road. if your thinkin about an electrician id consider checkin out the lineman school. just food for thought. i figured i already knew how to be a mechanic so why pay someone to teach me. i figure i pay to learn something i dont know and do the diesel thing on the side as a hobby. but who knows where ill end up. tell you the truth i want to work on the east coast so i can meet all these EDIT first gens.

 

680 hp with what all done to it? twins? 6x18s? is that on straight fuel or with water/meth or nos? Did it have a stroker kit? or bored or anything big internally done to the motor? I know the VE is one of the lowest pumps out there now a days, And I want to make up for the less power the VE will give me and make up for it in the motor. I think i can do it.

 

From what I have read on his rig. Twins. Don't know about inj size. Yes, it was water/meth. Stock bore and stroke. 14mm pump and cam plate. Might be able to do more with a better cam. Guess is as good as mine. Cheaper to do HIGH hp with a P pump. I'm not going to stand in your way...Good luck...