HELP!!! Gelled up, LP toast?
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use kerosene when it hits this cold it is -35to -45 now cant by a can of anti jell anywhere use 40 to 60% mixture of kero.put a jar of 80 diff oil outside turns to a soild. hwy tractor stalls if you let the clutch out. 3 1st gen inyard all 3 blew master cyl. one was only 4 mos old new wagner not rebuilt .i guess i will drive my slant six with big cat batt. and wait for warm weather -10 to -20
This is a dumb question, coming from someone that grew up in a filling station, back when we had two seperate pumps--one for Kerosene and one for Coal-Oil--some preferred one over the other.
Are Kerosene and No. 1 Diesel two seperate fuels; or, are they the same stuff??
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As to that -40* stuff, even silly geese have enough sense to migrate South.
I'm not sure how well my oem LP works as I always install an inline electric pump in diesels that run when the fuel solenoid is on. I also have a convenient hot wire for it to check things like your fuel flow concerns. When mine started to power down last winter in severe cold it was water in the fuel (WIF) from one of our chains, which I won't name but their initials are "Superstore". I also have an aftermarket filter/water separater out where I can service it easily and found it full of clear ice. The electric LP helped pump out the watered fuel. I overtreated the new fuel with methyl alcohol and it cleared right up. BTW I've had WIF lights up twice since from other locations in the same chain. If they weren't that much cheaper I'd never use them, but methyl by the gallon jug is still the cheaper over-all fuel strategy. I just double the dose in hard cold and drain a little fuel out of both filters fairly regularly.
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Are Kerosene and No. 1 Diesel two seperate fuels; or, are they the same stuff??
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#1 and kerosene are diffrent. #1 has less parafin (lube) than #2 and Kerosene has less than #1 (next to none). On the plus side it won't gell.
Up here we run straight #1 in most places during the winter months so the IPs already need lube help. I won't run Kerosene.
Are Kerosene and No. 1 Diesel two seperate fuels; or, are they the same stuff??
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#1 and kerosene are diffrent. #1 has less parafin (lube) than #2 and Kerosene has less than #1 (next to none). On the plus side it won't gell.
Up here we run straight #1 in most places during the winter months so the IPs already need lube help. I won't run Kerosene.
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I think your neighor may be a crackpot:
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Be careful of the rubbing alcohol; as, most brands state 70% alcohol and the rest is WATER, so barely enough alcohol content to disperse the water that is already in the bottle.
I have seen people pour rubbing alcohol in air brake systems to have them mysteriously freeze up a few miles later, once the alcohol evaporated and left the water.
A lot of old time big truck operators use the gasoline in the diesel trick.
What keeps the alcohol from dispersing the water in the bottle of rubbing alcohol?
Seems like there would be a lot of bottles of defective alcohol.
So true, Rubbing Alcohol is 70% by volume leaving most of it water.
Get some 99.9% isopropyl alcohol; it is also used to clean printing ink off the presses.
I still have about 15 gallons of it left.
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one of my neighbors told me to put some corn syrup in my stored fuel, sould i do this and how much per gallon?
I do not think Corn Syrup in stored diesel would be a good idea because it would probably settle to the bottom in a blob, but after reading this:
http://www.oread.ku.edu/Oread96/Orea...e5/diesel.html
I still don’t think I would do it with my engine.
Years back I had some idiot dump 3 bottles of Karo corn syrup in my gas tank, I had to dump 20 gallons of gas@ $.60/ gallon and take my tank to work and steam clean it out.
I have torn the LP diaphragm when the fuel in the tank gelled - symptoms exactly as you have described. Depending upon how bad the LP diaphragm tears out, you may start and run OK to around 40 MPH in 4th gear and then you will 'literally run out of fuel' and die beside the road. I went through this wonderful experience at -25F in Wyoming a couple of years ago - culprit was bad fuel.
Most of the experienced Cummins mechanics have told me that if the fuel in the tank gels then the LP will probably need changed.
I know that the refinery at North Pole produces winter diesel that will flow to -50F. You can always put in some unleaded gasoline as a last resort to keep the fuel flowing - however you run the risk of losing some viscosity protection on the injection pump once everything is warmed up.
Finally, check to see if you have a fine mesh screen on the upstream side of your fuel filter - you will need to pull off the fuel filter heater to check - this can also cause some problems in Arctic conditions if it is not clean.
I have found new fuel filter heaters to be around 5 to 6 ohms by digital meter when the temperature is down around 20F - onces that are starting to fail may be running at 100 ohms - note that the difference in heat output is considerable in a 12 VDC system.
Good Luck
Most of the experienced Cummins mechanics have told me that if the fuel in the tank gels then the LP will probably need changed.
I know that the refinery at North Pole produces winter diesel that will flow to -50F. You can always put in some unleaded gasoline as a last resort to keep the fuel flowing - however you run the risk of losing some viscosity protection on the injection pump once everything is warmed up.
Finally, check to see if you have a fine mesh screen on the upstream side of your fuel filter - you will need to pull off the fuel filter heater to check - this can also cause some problems in Arctic conditions if it is not clean.
I have found new fuel filter heaters to be around 5 to 6 ohms by digital meter when the temperature is down around 20F - onces that are starting to fail may be running at 100 ohms - note that the difference in heat output is considerable in a 12 VDC system.
Good Luck
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