I was pumping diesel at a local gas station and I noticed a new sticker on the kerosene pump that stated it was dyed red and was not to be used for highway use in diesel vehicles. I was under the impression that you could not run kerosene in diesel vehicles due to the lack of cetane. Is this true??

Its not the cetane , its the lack lube thats the biggest issue .
You can make that up with bio-diesel , 2 cycle oil , hyd. oil , but you have to find the percentage of oil added .
the red dye is a very expensive issue if you get caught .

believe its like running #1 used to mix it with #2 to have winterized fuel when we would have a real bad cold snap. running it straight will burn motor i believe

I dont plan on running it. I just didn't think you could run it in our trucks without severly damaging the CP3 or injectors. A friend of mine has been running it in his farm tractors for a while now with no problems

You can run it at 100% without damage to the pump. I'm not sure why you would want too, but it will run and not hurt anything. The red dye signifies it does not have road tax added to the price and is for off road use.

believe its like running #1 used to mix it with #2 to have winterized fuel when we would have a real bad cold snap. running it straight will burn motor i believe

[laugh] Someone from Texas giving advice on Cold weather.....


I have used kerosene to thin out some #2 fuel in my tractor to keep it from gelling up in the winter. I only use it for blowing snow and its been good to -30 by doing that. Straight #2 has been good down to 10. I usually have some #1 or kero in it by then. In a pinch I have used straight kerosene in it to get me by. Not sure why you would consider running kerosene, its usually way more expensive.

I ran jp5 in my 97 for a long time nearly all diesel military equipment can or does run on jp5 or jp8 without issue. come to think about it when I was at sj afb they used dodge ram diesels for tugs around the base and they all ran on jp8 their entire life

p.s. jp5 -jp8= glorified kerosene

Around here Diesel = $4.79 a gallon Kerosene = $3.25 a gallon

Are you guys sure it could be run with just a little power service for lube?

Around here Diesel = $4.79 a gallon Kerosene = $3.25 a gallon

Are you guys sure it could be run with just a little power service for lube?Sure but #1 has less cetane and will result in quite a bit less power and mpgs. With that and the fine if you get caught factor you'll have to figure out if it's worth it.

Where I work, our entire fleet of vehicles (around 5,000. Combination of Detroit Series 60, Cat C13, Cummins C8.3, Cummins ISL and IH DT466E) has been run on 100% #1 ULSD for around 5 years with no problems at all. They just switched over to #2 ULSD a couple of months ago for the sole purpose of saving around $2,000,000/year.

I think I may try a tank of 1/2 ULSD and K-1 with Power Service added in for lube. I found some undyed K-1 down the street.

My 1992 owners manual says to run 100% kerosene in "arctic" conditions.

I think I may try a tank of 1/2 ULSD and K-1 with Power Service added in for lube. I found some undyed K-1 down the street.

get those 5 gal cans out [laugh]

About 10% less BTU's than #2 so expect 10% less MPG.

get those 5 gal cans out [laugh]

Thats funny cause the fill hose was only about 2 feet long. I had to park REAL close to the pump to fill it up. The cashier gave me funny look

Thats funny cause the fill hose was only about 2 feet long. I had to park REAL close to the pump to fill it up. The cashier gave me funny look

the K1 pump hoses are short here [laugh]

Power Service actually reduces lubricity. Many additives claim an increase in lubricity but in fact have been proven to provide less lubricity then regular #2 diesel. Most additives are mainly power enhancers.

IF you are running Kerosene you need to run a quart of lube oil (aka engine oil) mixed in it for every 5 gallons. Any type of clean engine oil will do.

Running a Kerosene/Lube oil mix will result in about 1 more mpg overall.....[guitar] The Kero does have less BTU's but the lube oil will get you back your BTU's and then some.

*For off road use of course[laugh]

a qt to every 5 gals :o

a qt to every 5 gals :o
That's 10%. Seems a bit excessive to me plus the price of the oil would negate any savings from the kero.

That's 10%. Seems a bit excessive to me plus the price of the oil would negate any savings from the kero.

i agree,,,and what weight oil ??? if that works i'd think a qt of 30w in ten gal would work

i agree,,,and what weight oil ??? if that works i'd think a qt of 30w in ten gal would work

10w40......
A 5% mix would work just fine. I just like the reassurance of plenty of lubrication.

undyed kerosene looks like the ticket for diluting down waste engine oil

10w40......
A 5% mix would work just fine. I just like the reassurance of plenty of lubrication.

OK why multi grade ??? ya i'm trying to learn [laugh]

undyed kerosene looks like the ticket for diluting down waste engine oil

why ,,, cause its still a lube or cause both are cheap ?

OK why multi grade ??? ya i'm trying to learn [laugh]

What ever is cheap my man.

What ever is cheap my man.

OK,,,, i got that [laugh][laugh][laugh]

The cheapest is don't use oil, not needed at all, we also have run 100% #1 for years in a fleet of 200 vehicals without any problems.

both... main drawback to running heavy % of waste oil is viscosity. in other words waste oils needs to be diluted down closer to diesel's specific gravity.

gasoline is thinner yet...

why ,,, cause its still a lube or cause both are cheap ?

Kerosene report: Well I figured I'd post my results so far with my experience with running 1/2 K-1 and 1/2 ULSD + 32 ounces of Power Service. Pulled the f-ver about 200 miles for the weekend trip and noticed no drop in fuel milleage and no lose of power. So far I've noticed no change in anything other than being easier on the pocket book. If anything I noticed a slight drop in EGT's and a noticable decrease in smoke.

TSC sells 10wt non-detergent oil that I sometimes use as a lube instead of 2stroke. 2 gal for $20.

TSC sells 10wt non-detergent oil that I sometimes use as a lube instead of 2stroke. 2 gal for $20.

that sounds high ??

that sounds high ??

[director] higher than a Georgia Pine! two fiddy a quart aint no bargain!

Napa sells their own label (repackaged valvoline) 30wt non detergent for as cheap as .99 a qt when its on sale. Sometimes i buy a bunch of quarts and pour them into my tank right there in the parking lot. I sure get some strange looks from people. One lady even came up and told me she was no expert, but that she was pretty sure i was putting it in the wrong place. I told her my girlfriend always says that, but I do it anyways! LOL [laugh][laugh] [guitar]


Anyways, it's cheaper per gallon than Diesel fuel!!

Never tried more than 2½ gallons of it at once though. I dunno the risks (if any) to the cp3 from increased viscosity of the fuel. Anybody care to chime in here?

[director] higher than a Georgia Pine! two fiddy a quart aint no bargain!

Napa sells their own label (repackaged valvoline) 30wt non detergent for as cheap as .99 a qt when its on sale. Sometimes i buy a bunch of quarts and pour them into my tank right there in the parking lot. I sure get some strange looks from people. One lady even came up and told me she was no expert, but that she was pretty sure i was putting it in the wrong place. I told her my girlfriend always says that, but I do it anyways! LOL [laugh][laugh] [guitar]


Anyways, it's cheaper per gallon than Diesel fuel!!

Never tried more than 2½ gallons of it at once though. I dunno the risks (if any) to the cp3 from increased viscosity of the fuel. Anybody care to chime in here?

2 1/2 gal into ????

2 1/2 gal into ????

into a full tank of fuel (about 33 gallons + or -)

Comp - you might want to fill out your user CP on this site so people know who you are and what you drive, etc:cool:

into a full tank of fuel (about 33 gallons + or -)

Comp - you might want to fill out your user CP on this site so people know who you are and what you drive, etc:cool:

Maybe he's layin low. Kind of like James Bond.... He dont wont nobody to know what hes got. Now thats what I call a true sleeper[laugh]

so I run about 15-20 gallons of WMO to a fillup. If I can find some undyed cheap kerosene, will it help with the smokyness. Can it totally replace the diesel I'm putting in and not hurt the engine?? I've been runnin 15 gallons atleast everyfillup for the past 20K miles with no problems. Only problem is the filter cloggs up faster. But I've got that down to an art in changin it.

I'm not sure how often your having to change the filter, but that is the most concerning part of this equation for me.

so I run about 15-20 gallons of WMO to a fillup. If I can find some undyed cheap kerosene, will it help with the smokyness. Can it totally replace the diesel I'm putting in and not hurt the engine?? I've been runnin 15 gallons atleast everyfillup for the past 20K miles with no problems. Only problem is the filter cloggs up faster. But I've got that down to an art in changin it.

so your truck runs fine on 15 gallons WMO mixed with 20 gallons #2? Pretty much a 50/50% mixture, right? I run about 2 gallons of WMO in 30 gallons of diesel in my common rail. I dunno how much of a increase in the WMO ratio would be "safe" for the CP3.

and really, why worry about undyed kerosene when you are mixing it black-as-night WMO?

so I run about 15-20 gallons of WMO to a fillup. If I can find some undyed cheap kerosene, will it help with the smokyness. Can it totally replace the diesel I'm putting in and not hurt the engine?? I've been runnin 15 gallons atleast everyfillup for the past 20K miles with no problems. Only problem is the filter cloggs up faster. But I've got that down to an art in changin it.

Should filter the WMO before using. Will make the fuel filter last longer.
Can find 1 micron bag filters on Ebay. Works pretty good in cleaning up the WMO.

MikeyB

I use an old bypass filter set up , then a centrifuge to clean [ down to 1/10 micron ] , kerosene is too thin / no lube or will even harm lube , so use sparingly , if you can find a way to measure viscosity , then combine what ever your using for fuel to get the correct viscosity , and keep the lube as high as possible , especially with the VP pumps .

good to hear you've ran 50%+ waste oil for 20k miles with no problems. besides kerosene, also considering gasoline to thin waste oils.

ran mine up to 90% before clogging up injectors. changed to backup set of injectors, backed off to 50% for waste motor oils. higher for used ATF.

no problems with my fuel filter clogging. but have been careful of my waste oil sources.

still in experimentation mode...

so I run about 15-20 gallons of WMO to a fillup. If I can find some undyed cheap kerosene, will it help with the smokyness. Can it totally replace the diesel I'm putting in and not hurt the engine?? I've been runnin 15 gallons atleast everyfillup for the past 20K miles with no problems. Only problem is the filter cloggs up faster. But I've got that down to an art in changin it.

I use an old bypass filter set up , then a centrifuge to clean [ down to 1/10 micron ] , kerosene is too thin / no lube or will even harm lube , so use sparingly , if you can find a way to measure viscosity , then combine what ever your using for fuel to get the correct viscosity , and keep the lube as high as possible , especially with the VP pumps .

Down to .1 micron? Wow, that's pretty good. Where did you find the centrifuge?

MikeyB

some big trucks have the centrifuge type filter mounted on the frame rail. Most guys don't know what they are so they never clean them what a pain when they are packed full of soot.

I filter the oil, mostly just through a T-shirt. I have really good sources for oil. With the filter problem I usually change out every 10-15K on the fuel filter, but with that much WMO it starts to kinda sputter every once in a while after8-10K which is when I change the fuel filter and everything is fine again. I'm always experimenting. You have to see which mixture works with what the weather is like. It's hotter than anything outside right now, so I'm thinkin of mixin a little bit more in there to see how the WMO burns. Only downside I've seen is the Fuel filter(not that big of a deal), some grey exhaust at startup, and it smells like somethin fierce(which I can deal with)

ANd while I'm thinkin here, I think for the last half of a tank I've been runnin mostly all oil, cause everytime I stomp on the skinny pedal, it smokes all a light grey. no black at all. First half of the tank was black, now it's all gray. But runs just fine with no drawbacks.