So I have a 1998.5 24 valve, 5 speed. I've already got the airdog on it with a 4 inch turbo back stainless exhaust and an edge cts waiting to go in. This brings me to my 1993 250 4x4. It's already tweaked with an exhaust, m3 fuel pin, timing shim and a few other tweaks. Because I have a daily driver in the 1998.5, I'm going to start cleaning up the body on the 93'. All this brings me to my question about the powertrain. I'm going to turn this thing into a flat out monster. A true Porsche eater. Where would all you DTR guys/girls head with the powertrain??? I'm not going to say cost is no object but I'm prepared to spend some money. I'm thinking of a 6.7 common rail with a stand alone engine management system, built A518, np205; but i'd like input here. I want to put 1st gens front and center in the diesel world.

 

It would sound like a Diesel Power project. A magazine I no longer read, due to the mega-buck build-ups, by the way. I kinda like them to be a little ways toward the back, anyhow. Then there aren't so many ricer kids buying them up and destroying them.

 

Haha, I love burying honda's with an 18 year old pickup! I'm not really looking for write ups, outside of possibly documenting results on DTR. Just curious what everyone thinks as far as making this truck go really fast! I wrench myself and will be doing most of the work myself. Luckily I have access to a machinist with tons of experience with diesels. I'm looking to do this in true first gen fashion, with ingenuity!

 

P-pumped 12 valve, 47/48 re/rh with manual valve body, np271 or 241 for drag strip use only. Remove as much weight as possible.

I just described the worlds quickest 1st gen..

 

In my mind, anything other than a VE injection pump and non lock-up trans is not in the 1st gen fashion. But that's just me.

That being said, I do run a non lock-up converter, the original 46RH case and valve-body with nearly 100% 48RE components. At least outwardly, it appears factory original.

My personal challenge is to take the OEM 12mm VE to new levels. Heck, I'm still trying to burn all the fuel the stock/OEM 12mm VE can pump now without N2o.

I'd like to look over your shoulder and watch you best the current 1st gen records.


Good luck, and take plenty of pics.

 

BC, that's what I was thinking, just couldn't say it as nicely as you did.

Any chance there is a way to at least get the longer stroke crank from the 6.7 in a 5.9 block, or is it a completely different animal?

 

For a drag race motor? I would think you would want the 6.7 bore with a 5.9 crank.

 

I guess the question is do you want to go fast? Or do you want to go as fast as you can with a VE pump?

 

I dunno rockjeep73. There's a few pee-pumped trucks that are slower than this old 1st gen.

And if you were to insist on a pee-pump, why stop there? A Sigma can be bolted to a 1st gen block and embarrass the stinky out of a pee-pump.

 

I appreciate the numbers that stomp and the rest of you are putting up with the ve pump, and I'm not adverse to sticking with the stock components, just looking to take a first gen to a whole new level. I love everything about the first gens, especially the drivetrain, but Id really like to make a first gen really fast! Props to all you ve pumpers that are putting up huge numbers, I look forward to seeing records broken. I'm merely thinking cummins in a first gen body style dropping jaws. Keep the input coming, the direction this project goes will be influenced by your feedback.

 

As others have said, you can either build a fast 1st gen, or drop another motor into a 1st gen body. A true 1st gen runs a VE, end of story.

You got money to burn? Drop a Curt Haisley-built P-pump 12V in there in front of a full billet lockup trans. Then just hold on. You'll have to do more than that to truly turn heads, though, as there are P-Pump 1st gens in the 9's already.

A 6.7 in a 1st gen would be a real head turner, though. Even though I consider a 6.7 the Benedict Arnold of the Cummins world, their ability to spool monster chargers is undeniable. One of the top dogs in the 6.7 world right now is Ashley Black of Black's Diesel Performance. He has 6.7-powered trucks on the street right now (complete daily drivers) that spool 80mm S400 singles with ease. That's something that we in the 5.9 world can only dream about.

Either way, good luck.

 

what's RonA's truck have? isnt it a 13mm ppumped 6.7L with twin garrett turbos? that would be a slick setup in a 1st gen.

i do agree with David. i like using the factory parts to go fast. i did it with my 400m Ford and im trying to do it with my VE pump.

 

I guess the only limit would be that it came in a cummins dodge as far as engine and driveline, I'd put a ve pump on a 6.7 if it would make more power. I appreciate the purists, I love the first gens, but to run 9 seconds on a ve? How ??? Keep it coming, I love hearing from the membership.

 

Both are evil p-pump trucks....and both are light (under 5500)

https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...s-t290028.html

I should be the fastest VE if I ever get my butt to the track.

 

Might as well buy a wrecked 6.7 and swap everything over including a 68re. If you had that motor I don't know why you would want a non lockup A518. A 6.7 common rail would be neat in a 1st gen but like others said it would not be a complete gen 1 without the ve. If it were me swappin some hopped up cummins into an older truck id put it in an old ford or a chevy square body so no one could tell you how to do it or how not to. There's just somethin special between these ol 1st gens and the ve pump if you ask me.

When ya see an ol 1st gen breakin records or really go fast it impresses me but when they lift the hood or ya find out it still has the ve then its 3x as impressive. Maybe its only us 1st gen guys that think that cuz we know what kind of hard work it takes to get that far or to get that much power from a ve truck.

But don't let me talk ya out of it, the choice is all yours and to tell ya the truth I kinda wanna see it done.