Rattlin. Sounds like I got you rattled. I'm just lookin' for info. The more I read about the diesel engine, whether it be Ford, Chevy or Dodge, the more I see problems. <br><br>My nephew drives a big rig and is monitored from point A to point B by his employer. He has someone working on his rig at truckstops from the east to the west coast. <br><br>As civilians, owning our own vehicles, we don't have that corporate backing following us all over the country. I want the vehicle with the lowest first cost, maintenance cost and highest resale cost. I don't see this with a diesel. <br><br>Most people, retired or working don't drive 500 miles a day, every day of the week. If you're a working stiff, you drive to and from work. If you're retired, you drive from Wyoming to Arizona and sit for 6 mos. A gas engine is the cheapest way to get from point A to point B. <br><br>I'm outta here. I will tell all my fellow boaters how I was treated by the diesel website. They love their diesels too. But they treat me with respect for my opinion. And, I've bailed their butts out of trouble when they couldn't get fuel for their deesel engines.<br><br>'Bye. 8)

 

See ya.

 

Love it Jack, left coast intellegence. Maybe I should change out that smelly Cummins for a small block ford. ;D ;D ;D

 

Searay88 you claim to have inside info with a brother who drives tractor trailer and how much insite this has given you. With a little info you claim to know more about it all than all those who invested either in a diesel pickup or out on the road driving the big rigs. Then you vent by claiming you are being treated poorly by the people here who volunteered their experiences at no cost to you. Now I sit here like many others trying to figure out what it is you have for us, we know you own a gasser and a boat and the rest of us will never have anything as good as yours. I've read your posts on two sites on different topics, all people have info thats usable but you manage to promote it looking for a fight. Several posts by different people suggested you carry on elsewhere,if this was not true why are you still here. PK

 

SeaRay88, If you are looking for the highest resale value it sure isn't a gasser. If you are driving a big rig time is money. Downtime is lost money. They put so many miles on the big rigs they constantly require service.

By the way I am retired and the longest we sit with our 5er in one place is one month. It is not unusual for us to travel for two to 3 month at a time and travel 8,000 miles or more during that time. We have 7 acres to come home to and relax if not on the road. Those that as you say sit in one place for 6 months are not sitting, the go places driving on one or two day trips. Your conception of retired people is far from reality for RVers.

If you want a vehicle with the first lowest cost buy a three year old one.

From what I have seen in your posts, you came to this forum with a closed mind. You have been treated fairly for someone with a &quot;chip on his shoulder&quot;.

When you get your attitude adjusted, come back with an open mind. :-[

 

let him go. He was here to stir the pot.

 

As a high school teacher I saw this behavior time an time again. Adolescents for whatever reason can't have what other classmates have. So, they turn on those that have and belittle those who have and the object of their envy or what they Covet.<br><br>Shows something missing in their moral training, &quot;Thou shalt not covet your neighbor's house. Thou shalt not covet your neighbor's wive, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.&quot; <br><br>Some adolescents never grow up and remain unhappy throughout there lives as a result.<br>

 

Amen Phil! <br> And as you saw it show's it's ugly head in the other threads as well. &quot;Only what I have is any good, everything else is garbage.&quot; Sad to see grown men act this way, they end up being the biggest losers because their eyes are shut too tight to learn anything.

 

An experience of this kind is good for all of us once in awhile. It forces us to stop and examine ourselves, our values. One cannot act that way without effecting family and friends. <br><br>It is a shame that &quot;youth is wasted on the young&quot;. A happy person is truely one who is content with what they have today and is happy for their friends in what their friends have.

 

Well,,,,,, sorry to say fellas,,,,,,, I did get rattled<br>I just went out and put a For Sale sign on RATTLIN. I'm going to start looking for a small block gasser to pull my 30' 10,000lb. 5er. : ,,,,,,,,, Yeah,,,,,,, RIGHT!.....Like that's gonna happen <br><br>I'll never own another gasoline powered truck again! ;D<br><br>

 

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Well, yeah. So does my 4.6L. It won't snap your neck pulling a 8000 pound trailer. It goes from 0-70, but if you're looking at a stopwatch, it'll run down. I really don't care what the 0-60 speed is, as long as it's not losing speed when I get to the hills. My gasser gets 11+mpg on the highway towing and 22+ solo, so I'm happy with it. Can't see spending 4000 on a diesel. Sorry.
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How many believe that a 4.6L gasser will pull an 8000# trailer in the hills of California without slowing down? I have some great homesites to sell in Florida, step right up, no shoving.

That 4.6L has about 230 lb-ft torque max from factory as I recall.

 

Boys we may have managed this one poorly, with a little thought he should have been invited to a pull off. He claims to have been looking for the truth in why we run diesel trucks, and we should have given it to him in the form of a hill climb. Let him pick the load, a mutual hill site and of course some tech equipment eg: electronic timers and video equipment. The diesel boys and their bragging would then be called a sanctioned technical event with documentation and visual proof in which we would throw a copy of the video and timing results free to the loser so as not to exploit his misfortune. His absolute need for proof to spend that beloved extra 4000 bucks would be totally a personal decision not technical and as they say the rest would be HISTORY. PK

 

Don't confuse the issue with the actual facts! He does not want to hear it. ;D <br> The answer is simple. He spent all that money on his gasser and now regrets it so bad he is trying convince himself he did right by jumping on us.<br> His pain is obvious, and his attempt to make himself feel better by talking trash is even more apparent.<br> I feel sorry for the guy but he made his choice, I sure didn't talk him into it. He got there on his own and he will have to get out of it the same way.

 

You are right I was just playing like we used to do at the drag strip, it is the old put your money where your mouth is ploy. Basiclly I believe what you stated is probably the closest to the truth he has spent his money and cant afford to undo his boo-boo, it is unfortunate but like the rest of us learning from mistakes taught us lots. The school of T&amp;E is like any other the graduates dont all emerge at the same age nor do we ever stop learning??? PK

 

Hey Seerae88, my company truck is a 97 F150 with a 4.6L and there is NO WAY this truck compares to my Cummins. I guarantee you will not be able to pull your 8,000lb Seerae through the mountains here in Colorado at any speed over 50mph. NO WAY. And as for mileage I get 15 to 17 when towing(depending on my speed) and 20 to 21 empty. When towing I set the cruise on 70 or 75mph with A/C blowing; temp never exceeds 190deg. I never lose any speed on hills and I never have to turn the A/C off. Plus my Cummins will still be pulling when you're on your third rebuild. If you don't believe me I'd be more than happy to show in person(Denver area)<br><br><br>Listen guys I drive one those 4.6L turds everyday, and yes it does deliver 21 mpg and respectable acceleration, but doesn't pull worth a ****. That's a fact. <br><br>I've pulled with gassers big and small and nothing pulls like a diesel(especially in this elevation). Especially a Cummins!!<br><br>Long live The King