Well everyone, im new to the Deisel world, and i have been hearing alot about stacking programers on this site. but i just read an article in one of my deisel magazines this month saying its not good to stack programers. Why is this?

Another thing i have a 2001 ram, people are saying that edge already has out the juice with attitude for the 2001. but everywhere i look it skips from the year 2000- to 2002 am i just seing thigs?

Heres another one (sorry im new to this game) people are sayin run 100hp injectors for more performance on the fuel side. But again in another artice about a 2002 ram i think, they had him around 700hp and was runing 80hp injectors. if the 100 are whats hott why is the world not runin them?

im lookin to make my truck a low 13 or high 12 second rig. i see that its not imposible to do that these days so im game! all i have is k&n (which i was told is not a good intake on a deisel engine, flowtech exhaust, and an edge EZ. I want to get one of those bullydog kits with everything in it. how much would that run me and whats the price on those things? i know i have to get a new tranny and im workin on that. but what about rear dif? they hold up good with alot of power?

Thanks everyone

Murph

 

Well I'm definitely not the best to tell you about the why's and why not's, but I can tell you the Juice is out for 2001, it';s the same unit as the 2000 & 2002, you just change a setting on the Attitude display unit to select the year of your truck.

 

I'll take a stab at this. My guess, is if you're reading it in a magazine, then its for the new HPCR engines, and doesn't apply all that much to our ISB engines. With our engines, you can only run one Programmer at a time, be it a Smarty, superchips, hypertech, what have you. The Smarty reflashes the ECM with different software, so what was there before, is no longer.

Stacking fueling/timing boxes can be bad. Each fuel/timing box will advance fuel injection timing. Too much timing, and prepare to eat a headgasket or worse. Some boxes, like the TST, add fuel only, and can be stacked with fuel/timing boxes, like the Edge products. The Smarty has softwares without the additional timing, so it can be used together with other boxes like the Van Aaken, Comp, so on.

700 hp with 80 hp injectors, is either a 3rd Gen, or its on drugs. If you saw the first episode of Trucks this season, you'll see they made 800+ hp on a truck with 70 hp injectors. But they had the new high horse programmers, as well as nitrous (and propane too, I believe) to make those numbers. You won't make 700 hp on an ISB with 80 hp injectors, without out a lot of juice, and maybe even not then. Take a look in the Competition/Pulling Forum, there is a list of the big horse trucks, and what it took to get there. You'll need a big injectors to get there, as well as a wire tap box, and a big turbo(s).

 

You needs lots o stuff to run 12s in a 2nd gen. Do your research. Its pricey but can easily be done.

 

I agree but got a little confused reading this. What I beleive 'Tate' is saying is...stacking more than one box with timing is not good. Stacking a fueling only box on a box with timing and fueling can be a great combo... with no harm done!

The Juice adds timing and fueling, and , while new, appears to be growing in popularity. I don't see a big advantage to stacking another box (fueling only) on the Juice. Stacking came about because members wanted some added timing to their previously purchased, fuel only boxes!

The most popular stacking combo, right now, is the Smarty (for timing and low end responsiveness) stacked on a TST PM3 (fuel only). It's a great combo for daily driving and for strong HP. How it compares to the Juice.... to soon to tell!

Murph - Welcome to DTR ....... Hope this helps.

RJ

 

"Stacking" is generally discouraged because people can get carried away and do something out of ignorance. For example, a novice might think that an Edge Comp (120hp) and Edge EZ (65hp) would give him 185hp. Who wouldn't want that?

You have to know EXACTLY what the boxes are doing before you mess with stacking. If you know what you are doing, there are rewards to be had.

On a VP44 truck (up to 2002), you can only manipulate timing and fueling. The injection pressure and duration are set by the injectors relative to the pump. They can't be electronically adjusted.

On the later trucks (more likely in a magazine article to be the case), you have timing, injection pressure, and injection duration-- all electronically controlled.

The difference between these two fuel systems is why are Smarty for a VP truck makes about 60hp, and for a later truck were' hearing almost 170hp gain! Big difference between engines.....

jh

 

good anwsers everyone, basicly all i need is for someone out there who has a 2nd gen 24v to tell me what the combo i need to ru low 13 high 12's is so i can just go buy the stuff.

 

Is it an auto?

Guages
Fuel system upgrades
intake
Performance Tranny/ clutch
injectors
turbo
plus some of the electronic stuff mentioned above.

A good combo above can get ya to the 13's, but if you're looking for 12's add

o-ring head
studs
possibly a twin turbo setup
drugs?

Look at RJohnson's sig on post #5.

 

Thanks Ph4tty.

Murph - my set up is easily in the 12's. The only day I ran since my new twins was 104* and 15 mph headwind..... and had my street mix (washer fluid) instead of 50/50 racing Methanol in the injection system. Still did a 1.75 60'

Not trying to brag...just letting you know you don't need more than I have to get to low 12's.

Also found out my 315's are killing me.... only do 2800 rpm at 110 mph. Ideally, should be red line at the 1/4 mile pole! But these tires fill the wheel wells so nicely...I can't bear to part with them!

RJ

 

Guages - $500
Fuel system upgrades - $400
intake - $200
Performance Tranny/ clutch $6000/$2000
injectors - $1200
turbos - $3600/$4000
tst - $600
smarty - $650
o-rings - $300
studs - $450
drugs - $500/$1500


$10,400 - $15,800

how much do you wanna spend???