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Originally posted by edwinsmith
Auto owners now are required to have liability insurance to compensate others for damages. Coverage for this would not change. What should change is the coverage for damage to YOU if you aren't wearing a seatbelt or in the case of a motorcycle, a helmet. And yes there will be uninsured motorists but we have that now.
Not wearing a seatbelt or helmet does not increase the danger to other drivers so there should be no penalty for not doing so. Drinking alcohol or using drugs, as long as you don't operate machinery or vehicles, does not endanger or infringe on the rights of others therefore drug use is a victimless crime.
The reason drug addicts must steal to support their habit is because of the high cost of their drug of choice which is a result of drug prohibition. The violence and corruption of police and other LEO's as well as the many deaths from the violence associated with drug trafficing are the direct result of drug laws. If drugs are re-legalized the violence, death and corruption will disappear.
Of course there will be the occasional death from overdose just as there are deaths attributed to the use of alcohol and legal drugs. Addiction will not cease and there is much controversy as to whether drug use will increase with re-legalization. However saying that drug use is not a victimless crime because of the crime caused by drug prohibition is simply wrong.
Morality cannot be legislated. All of the problems we have from illicit drug use are magnified by drug prohibition. Most of these problems will disappear and addicts and alcoholics can get help or go to blazes for all I care. The wreckage of peoples lives will continue for addicts but the harm caused will be greatly reduced.
With drug re-legalization our prison population will be cut in half. Police and LEO's in general can concentrate of prosecuting violent and property crimes and actually guarding our borders and keeping us safe from terrorists. In fact the profits of the illicit drug trade will be radically slashed and there will be no drug lords and terrorists will lose a major source of funding. Gang violence fueled with drug dealing and turf wars will be greatly reduced.
The War on (some) Drugs is lost. Mainly because it isn't a war on drugs at all but a war on our own people. Everyone suffers in great or small part with the loss of money and the trashing of the Bill of Rights and the constitution.
This is the legacy of an open ended war on drugs (people) And points out the wrongheadedness of seatbelt and helmet laws.
In Liberty
Edwin
Auto owners now are required to have liability insurance to compensate others for damages. Coverage for this would not change. What should change is the coverage for damage to YOU if you aren't wearing a seatbelt or in the case of a motorcycle, a helmet. And yes there will be uninsured motorists but we have that now.
Not wearing a seatbelt or helmet does not increase the danger to other drivers so there should be no penalty for not doing so. Drinking alcohol or using drugs, as long as you don't operate machinery or vehicles, does not endanger or infringe on the rights of others therefore drug use is a victimless crime.
The reason drug addicts must steal to support their habit is because of the high cost of their drug of choice which is a result of drug prohibition. The violence and corruption of police and other LEO's as well as the many deaths from the violence associated with drug trafficing are the direct result of drug laws. If drugs are re-legalized the violence, death and corruption will disappear.
Of course there will be the occasional death from overdose just as there are deaths attributed to the use of alcohol and legal drugs. Addiction will not cease and there is much controversy as to whether drug use will increase with re-legalization. However saying that drug use is not a victimless crime because of the crime caused by drug prohibition is simply wrong.
Morality cannot be legislated. All of the problems we have from illicit drug use are magnified by drug prohibition. Most of these problems will disappear and addicts and alcoholics can get help or go to blazes for all I care. The wreckage of peoples lives will continue for addicts but the harm caused will be greatly reduced.
With drug re-legalization our prison population will be cut in half. Police and LEO's in general can concentrate of prosecuting violent and property crimes and actually guarding our borders and keeping us safe from terrorists. In fact the profits of the illicit drug trade will be radically slashed and there will be no drug lords and terrorists will lose a major source of funding. Gang violence fueled with drug dealing and turf wars will be greatly reduced.
The War on (some) Drugs is lost. Mainly because it isn't a war on drugs at all but a war on our own people. Everyone suffers in great or small part with the loss of money and the trashing of the Bill of Rights and the constitution.
This is the legacy of an open ended war on drugs (people) And points out the wrongheadedness of seatbelt and helmet laws.
In Liberty
Edwin
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Originally posted by edwinsmith
Ah yes! The democracy argument. That's why we have a constitution and a Bill of Rights, to protect the minority from the tyrany of the majority who could just as easily vote to enslave those who had the unfortunate fate of being in the minority who opposed slavery.
Ah yes! The democracy argument. That's why we have a constitution and a Bill of Rights, to protect the minority from the tyrany of the majority who could just as easily vote to enslave those who had the unfortunate fate of being in the minority who opposed slavery.
I would suggest that, since you hold a minority position on this issue, the following might be in order:
1. Find an attorney who agrees that citizens of the United States have a Constitutional right to snort coke, smoke crack and shoot up on heroin. I suspect that the ACLU might be willing to take this case pro bono.
2. Find a sympathetic court and plead the following:
~A. The Constitution of the United States guarantees to its citizens the unfettered right to snort coke, smoke crack and shoot up on heroin.
~B. That right is being violated, and you, as a member of an aggrieved minority, seek redress.
3. If the sympathetic court rules in your favor, realize that the fat lady hasn't sung yet. The applicable U.S. Attorney will certainly appeal, and eventually, the case will work its way up to the United States Supreme Court. Would you like to guess what your chances are of having this "right" affirmed by SCOTUS?
Originally posted by edwinsmith
And by the way, our government is a Republic, NOT a democracy.
And by the way, our government is a Republic, NOT a democracy.
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Originally posted by RustyJC
Edwin,
I would suggest that, since you hold a minority position on this issue, the following might be in order:
1. Find an attorney who agrees that citizens of the United States have a Constitutional right to snort coke, smoke crack and shoot up on heroin. I suspect that the ACLU might be willing to take this case pro bono.
2. Find a sympathetic court and plead the following:
~A. The Constitution of the United States guarantees to its citizens the unfettered right to snort coke, smoke crack and shoot up on heroin.
~B. That right is being violated, and you, as a member of an aggrieved minority, seek redress.
3. If the sympathetic court rules in your favor, realize that the fat lady hasn't sung yet. The applicable U.S. Attorney will certainly appeal, and eventually, the case will work its way up to the United States Supreme Court. Would you like to guess what your chances are of having this "right" affirmed by SCOTUS?
Rusty
Edwin,
I would suggest that, since you hold a minority position on this issue, the following might be in order:
1. Find an attorney who agrees that citizens of the United States have a Constitutional right to snort coke, smoke crack and shoot up on heroin. I suspect that the ACLU might be willing to take this case pro bono.
2. Find a sympathetic court and plead the following:
~A. The Constitution of the United States guarantees to its citizens the unfettered right to snort coke, smoke crack and shoot up on heroin.
~B. That right is being violated, and you, as a member of an aggrieved minority, seek redress.
3. If the sympathetic court rules in your favor, realize that the fat lady hasn't sung yet. The applicable U.S. Attorney will certainly appeal, and eventually, the case will work its way up to the United States Supreme Court. Would you like to guess what your chances are of having this "right" affirmed by SCOTUS?
Rusty
The current court let McCain-Feingold stand, for crying out loud! That's about as close to a repeal of the 1st Amendment as you're likely to see, only without all that bothersome legislative stuff.
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From: Cypress, TX
Originally posted by jfpointer
Can I argue it before a Supreme Court that doesn't have its collective head up its collective butt, say one from 100 years or so ago?
Can I argue it before a Supreme Court that doesn't have its collective head up its collective butt, say one from 100 years or so ago?
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From: Kansas City & Maysville, MO
Originally posted by RustyJC
Sorry. The rules of the game are that ya gotta play with the hand you're dealt!
Rusty
Sorry. The rules of the game are that ya gotta play with the hand you're dealt!
Rusty
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Ford owns Enron who owns Kennedy, who is for stem-cell motivated abortion so he can grow a new brain when he burns his up on legalized dope or no cycle helmet.....
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Originally posted by TomW
Instead of legalizing drugs, maybe the left can apply their energies to fixing the cause of drug abuse. If people are so eager to get away from reality, then maybe they're not being raised right to begin with. Starting with some good old fashioned trips to the wood shed at a young age.
Instead of legalizing drugs, maybe the left can apply their energies to fixing the cause of drug abuse. If people are so eager to get away from reality, then maybe they're not being raised right to begin with. Starting with some good old fashioned trips to the wood shed at a young age.
So judging by your rational, if I beat my daughter that will take care of the drug problem in America? Sweet! I guess if I beat my daughter she will think twice about getting bad grades in school, speeding, and not making the cheerleading squad also.
People are going to do what they want to do when they want to do it. You CANNOT, I repeat, CANNOT govern morality. You cannot force your morals on someone else. Just because something seems right to you doesn’t mean it’s right for the next person. If I choose to smoke weed in my own house that I bought and paid for, by myself, with no one else around. How could you possibly care????? Do you think the storm troopers should come busting down my door because I choose to smoke a little weed. ( I don’t of course but this is just an example (had to throw that in there). Do you lay awake at night thinking about what other people are doing in their free time? Don't take it personally, I'm not just asking you but all of the other "moral" people out there.
Originally posted by TomW
~A. The Constitution of the United States guarantees to its citizens the unfettered right to snort coke, smoke crack and shoot up on heroin.
~A. The Constitution of the United States guarantees to its citizens the unfettered right to snort coke, smoke crack and shoot up on heroin.
We don’t like it, but someone is driving drunk right now. Alcohol is one of the worst drugs out there, but hey, it’s legal…. Go figure.
Which is all the more reason to wear your seatbelts guys. (to get back to the original topic).
Won't be much longer before this is shut down.
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Britt,
Like I said, go make your argument where it counts. Try to convince the courts of your "right" to do dope. Just be sure to wear your seat belt when you go (gotta keep the thread on topic, right?)
Rusty
Like I said, go make your argument where it counts. Try to convince the courts of your "right" to do dope. Just be sure to wear your seat belt when you go (gotta keep the thread on topic, right?)
Rusty