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need12v Feb 20, 2006 08:36 AM

If he's guilty, which I hope for your sake he's not, he should be punished. By a new system!

Nail it to a stump
Give him a rusty knife
Light the stump on fire


Might just cut the repeats down a bit.

John Halter Feb 20, 2006 09:08 AM

I had a politician in my area of Mansfield Ohio get accused of sexual abuse of his granddaughter a few years back and I didn't want to believe it either . He was a well liked farmer from our area who had been doing a lot of good in our community and just didn't fit my stereotype of what one of these sick sob's should look like . I knew him well and considered him a friend and it wasn't till they had him on tape admitting it did I believe it . He is serving a long prison term now and according to a guard I know has a unwanted boy friend . I guess things have a way of working out and maybe now he understands some of the damage he caused . It took a lot of trust out of me and it will be a long time before I campaign for anyone again . I think often about that little girl and it angers me that someone could mess with the innocents of a child like that .

runamuk Feb 20, 2006 08:19 PM

I have to say that I agree with Begle1 on this one :rolleyes:

GUILTY:
Castration of the whole problem Lorena Bobbitt style then incarceration in a mens prision for life. No repeat offenses guranteed!

INNOCENT:
Full restitution of work status and repayment of loses by the offending party or Parents of the offending party. Public hearing to determine such.

Rick

boiler-rat Feb 20, 2006 09:00 PM

I am for castrating them......right after shootin em!

BigBlue Feb 20, 2006 09:02 PM


Originally Posted by boiler-rat
I knew it was a big problem but I didn't realize how big until I saw that Dateline program where they did that sting operation. FIFTY- TWO perverts busted in two days coming to one house expecting a 12 or 13 year old to be there. Should have shot them as they walked in the door! [verymad]

One of them was the Fire Chief here in Bryan. :rolleyes:

kelley15 Feb 20, 2006 10:43 PM

http://www.perverted-justice.com/ Want to see some scum caught in the act. They act like kids on the web to bust the perverts.

kelley15 Feb 20, 2006 11:04 PM

The language on that site is graphic , but that is what has to be done to bust this human waste.

PanteraGSTK Feb 21, 2006 10:42 AM

It sucks that when something like this happens it is everywhere on the news. Everone assumes the man is guilty. If not, the damage is done. But they have to believe somebody and the victim is the most likely. If they choose not to believe the victim immediatly then future victims may not come foward. They should not release any info until cases like this are closed.

Jeff in TD Feb 21, 2006 11:33 AM

In my neck of the woods, this kind of stuff has been a real problem, too.

It can have a real negative effect on co-workers and friends when someone you thought was a trustworthy and good person turns out to be capable of something like this.

Radcam Feb 21, 2006 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by boiler-rat
I am for castrating them......right after shootin em!

I think it's more effective if you castrate them, then shoot em.

HOHN Feb 21, 2006 02:46 PM

It's disturbing to me how powerful a mere accusation is. Your 12 y.o. daughter decides that she doesn't want to abide by your rules as a parent. You ground her and invoke other disciplines. She recognizes that she can gain power over you by fabricating a molestation charge.

Result? A story like the one told by Chaikwa, and it's all too common. It's probably more common with step-parents because the parent is trying lay down discipline, and because of "you're not my REAL Dad" syndrome, the parent has no legitimacy, and that causes problems as the parents try to do their job of parenting without the respect of the position.


Now, if there is evidence that the person has committed an offense, then prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.

But it's simply a case of a child saying something happened, then unfortunately that's a bad deal no matter what. Which is worse, to ruin the life of an innocent man, or to let such a reprehensible act go unpunished??

Our legal system says that it's worse for the innocent to go to jail than for the guilty to go free. That's why the legal standard is "beyond a reasonable doubt". Even then, an alleged molestation victim is the most sympathetic of all figures (partly because so many jurors could sadly relate:()


If anyone doubts that a lot of bad things happen when a CHILD starts to make up stories, then maybe they should read up a little on the Salem Witch Trials. It started as a joke. It ended up with people dying.



It saddens me to say this, but I think things are only going to get worse vis-a-vis sex crimes and sex offenders. We have become one of the most sexualized societies ever. Sex images are everywhere. Porn is no longer stigmatized, it's mainstreamed.

Combine this with a divorce rate that's near an all-time high, and you end up with a LOT of people who are unstable because they never fully developed emotionally during childhood. You end up with grown men seeking false intimacy through a movie or picture. Women have their own porn-- they call it a romance novel.


There's a lot that we as Dads can do to help protect our girls from this. I personally believe that if my daughter gets a lot of positive attention from me, then she won't end up trying to satisfy unmet emotional needs later. She won't dress like a to get attention. It's depressing, but I know that no matter how good a parent I am, I can never guarantee that my child won't grow up to make bad decisions or join the wrong crowd. But I feel I can drastically reduce the chances.

Parenting a daughter in today's society is a somewhat scary task. Our girls are constantly under attack by a society trying to sexualize them and steal away their innocence of childhood.

But it's also the best job I've ever had thus far. My daughter is a blessing I could never have imagined before her arrival.

Protect yourself, protect your children-- there are those that wish to destroy.

Jeff in TD Feb 21, 2006 05:24 PM

You have a point in that just an accusation can have serious consequences, even if the person is not arrested.

On the other hand, having worked these kinds of investigations, most of the time there was some sort of supporting evidence, which would not be public information.

Geico266 Feb 22, 2006 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by Jeff in TD
You have a point in that just an accusation can have serious consequences, even if the person is not arrested.

On the other hand, having worked these kinds of investigations, most of the time there was some sort of supporting evidence, which would not be public information.

Right again, in this case anyway. His bond was set at $250K. At that hearing they said they have a recording of the step daughter calling him and asking him to stop the sex acts, he did not denigh it. That speaks volumes.

John Halter Feb 22, 2006 08:43 AM

That is the same way they got the guy I know in Ohio , they had girl call him and then they taped the conversation . A lot of people did not believe he did it , me included , until that information was released . I think it is just one of those things that for a person who has never been exposed to this type of situation to comprehend that any one could do . I don't know if I will ever get over it and when I think how much worse it had to be on the victims , it really makes me angry . When you think most sex offenders don't get caught in their first offence it makes you wonder how many other victims are out there afraid to speak up .


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