AMEN! I agree whole heartedly! It is not the goverments job or place to support us. If they stopped SS oh heavens we would have to be responsible for our own actions......perish the thought!
There is a good reason they take these taxes and others out of our pay checks and it is because if we had to write a check once a year for the taxes we paid there would be a revolt and somebody would be held accountable. Again perish the thought.

 

I love my truck guys.

 

Have just received the following from an English friend of mine. It is very "English" but think you American chaps can still understand the message. Perhaps if you had something like that in the US todays young men would be less like girlie men. I would be interested to find out if any of you think this would be a good idea or is it trampling on their 'rights'?

Barry Beelzebub's weekly column from the Bristol Evening Post

I spent most of Sunday with tears in my eyes.
No, it wasn't rampant hay fever, or overwhelming sadness because Mrs B had snapped my England flag off the car, or the utter desolation at the fact that no-one had been waiting with a bag of rotten tomatoes when that gobby dyke Kitten left the Big Brother studios.

It was just the emotional impact of all that D-Day coverage and, in
particular, the brave unassuming veterans of that horrendous and historic event.
"It brings a lump to your throat," said one survivor scanning the assorted dignitaries, "to know that they've gone to all this trouble just for us." What? All this trouble? After what he and his mates went through? The mind boggles.

The undercurrent throughout the day was that this was the last time these heroes would be around in sufficient numbers to commemorate the anniversary. And for me, that thought ran parallel with the notion that we were also seeing the passing of the last generation of truly Great Britons.

I mean, can you imagine the slack-jawed, gum-chewing, knuckle-dragging Burberry Apes that are most of today's 18 and 19-year-olds charging down a beach into German machine gun fire? You wouldn't get them off the landing craft unless there was a McDonald's on the cliffs, teams of counsellors on stand-by and a nice compo claim waiting at the end of the day.

Which is why I needed little persuading when a friend of mine (Liam O'Smiley, agent to the stars and one-legged window cleaner) suggested bringing back National Service.

Think about it. We're largely to blame for bringing up the slackest, most selfish generation of teenagers ever. There is no discipline in their lives, either at school, where NuLabour apparatchiks would rather indoctrinate than educate; out on the streets, where the police are too busy attending gender awareness courses to bother with a burglary; or in our homes, where we spoil the little sods rotten, feed them junk and then park them in front of the widescreen television or the GameBoy to vegetate.

Two years of National Service, served at the age of 18, would instil the kind of moral framework that we've sadly failed to provide for our kids. And it would get them fit as well. No more whining about obesity costing the NHS dear. Just some ex-****** tackling the obstacle course every morning, rather than worrying about where the money for the Argos gold chain is coming from, how many headlights to stick on their "gangsta" Vauhall Astra or how loud to play their indecipherable boom boom music while cruising past the chip shop.

And another thing. While the nation's young manhood is banged up in Catterick barracks, they'll not be out impregnating 14-year-old slappers with pierced belly buttons, badly-drawn tattoos and a council-funded career in baby-production.
"Oh, " I hear poor Tarquin cry. "What about my gap year travelling around Australia and my university degree? I've got four 'A's at A-level, you know."

Listen you snivelling little middle-class ponce. Everyone has got four 'A's at A-level. Even the Welsh. What's the point in sending you to "university" (aka Gasworks Tech) when all you're going to do is get a pointless degree in Media Studies followed by a £5-an-hour job in a call centre selling mobile phone ringtones to people with no taste? Or brains.

And "gap year"? I don't think many of the D-Day vets had a gap year. And if they did, they spent it huddling in the bottom of a shell hole while the ***** tried to kill them. You couldn't even find Normandyon a map if your JobSeeker's Allowance depended on it. Now get out on that parade ground and paint some coal.

(And another thing. Why not make National Service part of the immigration process too? That'd sort the committed arrivals out from the "here for an easy touch brigade" in one fell swoop. "No problem, pal. We've got your council flat in Peckham already booked in, and it'll be ready for you just after you come back down from your two years peeling potatoes in Aldershot.")

Come on, tell me why not? The Army can't recruit enough people to do the job as it is. Your kids are fat, feckless morons. Add one to the other and we've got a result.

There's been much discussion about the absence of Prince Andrew from the D-Day commemorations. Apparently he's the Colonel-in-Chief of 57 assorted regiments, including the Canadian Paras, but decided to go to a golf dinner instead of sweating it out alongside Her Madge and Phil the Greek. I'm not surprised. He's a lazy, useless freeloader with a penchant for freckled floozies who's still trading on the fact that he once flew a
helicopter around San CarlosBay while the Argies were firing off Exocet missiles that our French comrades had kindly sold them. Yes, I know ...

I'll tell you what I found most offensive about the weekend's services - Prince Charles, stood there proud as Punch, wearing a chest-full of medals that would have put a Chelsea pensioner to shame. So where did he earn all those then?

I also must have missed the announcement that he'd been awarded the DFC with Bar for Talking to Plants. What a shyster. Although with Camilla in mind, it does take a certain gallantry to ... no, no, let's leave it.

So there are all these old blokes who'd been to hell and back for their gongs, and Charlie boy turns up looking like he'd spilt a bowl of fruit salad down his suit. It's enough to make a cat laugh.

BARRY BEELZEBUB

 

Stan, I think he has a good point there. We need to have some Macdonalds built in Iraq, so that there will be more brave young men enlist for service.

 

Ain't that the truth!

I went in the Army in 1994, I finished my tour in 98, I got out because after having experienced my entire TOD in infantry, my last duty station was at Ft. Hood in an aviation support battallion. I asked to transfer back to Infantry, but they would'nt let me because I was close to completing my service agreement.
I wanted to go back because I did'nt stand a chance politically because I was not "sissyfied" like 99% of the unit was. They did'nt even have a clue that it was humanly possible to take a 7-10 mile run on friday morning, or how to take a 50 mile road march (yeah on foot). Talk about fat people! Jeeze, I looked anorexic there. Also, they decided to give EVERYONE a soft hat, when it USED to be a trademark for Airborne or Ranger to wear. It was an easy identification, somthing to be proud of, folks saw a feller (or gal in airborne), wearing one of these there was no question about the achievments they had completed.

So, there's my dos centavos for our lovely, non-discrimatory, military.

I wonder what they will do when gay marraiges finally get legalized???? After all it was our beloved Clinton that created "Don't ask Don't tell"??????

 

If and when Kerry gets elected....

 

Mexstan and the rest of you callying my generation pussified,

I could take just A LITTLE bit of offense there. But I'm 100% sure that your parent's said the same exact thing about you, and so on and so on. I can gaurentee you that if some country someplace openly declared war on us or our ideals, we would fight just as hard as your generation and the generations of American's before us. It is rather ignorant for you to say that this is the first generation of liberals wanting peace instead of war. Woo-hoo. Teenagers being idealists? Nah, that's never happened... It always had and always will. But if we were threatened by a rogue country, and I mean really threatened, not "terrorist threatened", we will raise to the call just as fast as you guys did, and I'm sure that we'd do it better than the children in the Vietnam era.

Then again, Mexstan, I'm kind of curious about your life, there. How did you end up getting in Mexico, and where did you grow up at?

BDRAMSEY, if you want to run 7-10 miles a day, what are you doing in the Army? What were you expecting when you enlisted, the Marines?

One more thing, I'd like to see our youth against those European teens. Oh boy, watch those non-pussified Europeons... That'd be a conflict.
And homosexuals are good in the military. With those flowers on their helmets and tanks, they'd be pretty good decoys.

 

"But if we were threatened by a rogue country, and I mean really threatened, not "terrorist threatened", we will raise to the call just as fast as you guys did, and I'm sure that we'd do it better than the children in the Vietnam era."

You creep..I guess the people killed on 9/11 don't count in your mind as a threat. Your sit back and wait attitude will be the downfall of this country.

 

In no way do I say that terrorists are not worthy of butt-kicking, but they can't imprison us, they can't change our society or ideals, they can't oppress us. They cannot and will not change what the United States stands for, unless they persuade them liberals to do it for them. Yes, we do need to aggressively defend against them, and we do need to protect ourselves against them, for they do kill us, but compared to Vietnam, Korea, that entire Russia thing, World War II, World War I, the Civil War and the Revolutionary War, they're no where near as threatening. Realistically, our problems only seem severe because we are amidst them, but I guarentee you that history books will record this as a peaceful time in America compared to the last generation.

 

Begle1...Give me a break
Viet nam and Korea did not attack us nor did they have any plans to. In both cases it was a civil war in which we wanted to make sure the right side won. The terrorist on the other hand DID ATTACK us, and are a real and present danger to us. Our country is at a greater risk right now than any time since WW2.
Far to many people like you are not taking the current threat seriously enough.

 

Hey what's up with this "You Creep" thing I didn't think that type of personal attack was allowed on this site or is it just a "Chosen" few. Help me out here curious minds need to know.

 

Terrorists can only oppress us if we let them. They really flex no power, unless you believe some people in that every Muslim on the planet is a terrorist.

Now, when half the people on the planet are Commies, that is a threat that can oppress us; politically, economically and militarily. Terrorists can only do so if we allow them to do so. Ideally, it's along the same concept as the bully at school. The terrorist is the bully, and if we don't do anything he will go away. Of course, that's just an ideal, and they kill people, so instead of ignoring them we have to kill them. Still, I don't see that a few scattered people around the planet as anywhere near as great a threat to our society as millions of Communists. However, we can not let anything stop us from aggresively defending against them, as we can't let go of the fact that they do kill us. My point is, they can't supress us while they do so, while a whole nation could.

I don't care people calling me names; I just retain the right to respond likewise somewhere down the line...

 

There is nothing wrong with today’s military. They are smarter, they are volunteers, and they are the ones doing the fighting for us. The many of military leaders we have to day where the young officers of the Viet Nam era and they have gone out of their way not to make the same mistakes of the past. The enemy of today is fueled by religion, poverty, and lead by radical clerks. As far as the world goes today we will need all of our allies to hunt down and defeat this enemy. We must not only tear nations down we must also rebuild them so that the chain is broken. I do not believe that going to War with Iraq was the right time to do no matter how many people try to say that it was. I support our military 100%, as they are our children, and friends. I would gladly go in their place as I, like a lot of you have already lived a good life. God Bless America

 

Not cool Crobtex. Once this starts getting personal, politics go away on this site, forever. Remember that guys. I like discussing politics, but I won't hesitate to do what's necessary to protect the integrity of the site.

 

Sorry, my emotions got the better of me. I'll get up and take a shot of Black Jack the next time I'm about to get out of control.

I'll not post any more on this thread.