Yep, no one here is perfect and sometimes we butt heads, but as long as everyone remains respectful of each other, we just get past it and move along.


No doubt, the Portland Libs would be screaming at the top of their lungs how unfair that would be, as well as every other Lib in the country. No body wants a Cop around till they need one and then they can't get there fast enough. To quote a friend of mine..... Pffftt...

 

Change you avatar, you are an embarrassment to the real professionals.

 

This very scenario is discussed here on the east coast as a training aid on how not to handle this type of situation. The entire situation was an "epic fail" from start to finish. A real embarrassment to rest of the professionals on the streets across the entire country.

 

I never said I felt that way about the police. I was trying to give some enlightenment to thoses of you that are unaware of the turmoil in Portland City's Government and the Police Bureau. I have many LEO freinds and side with them on the issues of confrontation. But to generalize ALL Portlanders because of the actions of some D-bags is a bit harsh. So whatever I guess.

 

Chasse was in holding (county jail?), waiting for in processing and a nurse to clear him for 31 minutes, when the NURSE finally saw he was unconscious and the NURSE advised the officers to have a DOCTOR (as oppose to the filed EMT) clear Chasse. Perhaps the officers trusted that a NURSE would know whether there was an urgent situation calling for an ambulance dispatch over a simple transport? When thwe officers found Chasse to have stopped breathing, CPR was administered. CPR is not only known for, but it is expected that ribs will be broken. The officers could not have known about the broken ribs that existed prior to CPR, Chasse having been observed by 2 independant medical professionals, but the autopsy showed many of the fractures were post CPR. Even known ractures existing prior would not likely stop somebody from administering CPR anyway. Was the force used to apprehend Chasse resonable? I don't know WE weren't there. But I do know, a lot of these officer induced injuries you hear about, tend to happen predominantly to people with poor lifestyles and are unhealthy to begin with. Even textbook, non lethal force can actually be lethal to them. Whether drugs, alcohol, or a mentally induced struggle, the force that would stop you or me needs to be applied longer, adding to the stress on the body exponentially. Even just holding somebody down, these people can damage their bones and organs with their strength alone. Peolple spout about a "gang" of cops beeting on somebody, when it's a fact that with multiple officers, there is less of a chance of both an officer and the suspect being injured. That said, the force can be misapplied in the struggle even with the officer attempting to apply proper technique, but the suspect makes an unpredictable movement. I fhe gets hurt that way, so be it. The place to fight with the law is in the courtroom, not in the street.

 

You are correct. We shouldn’t throw all Portlanders into the same pot. We would be just as bad as those who would typecast all cops as being bad just because of one bad one.
Guess its just a combination of some of the things that I have seen in the press and first hand experience that makes me believe it is not the free loving wonderful place to live that it is sometimes portrayed as.