More on the decline of America
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Originally posted by Hoss
Forgive my ignorance, but what's happening on Saturday??
Forgive my ignorance, but what's happening on Saturday??
The cities chosen as optimal targets are New York, Miami, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Chicago, San Francisco, Las Vegas, Boston and Washington, D.C. New York and Washington top the preferred target list for al-Qaida leadership.
From what I can figure out, Bin Laden's goal is to launch one initial attack, followed by a second on another city to simulate the U.S. bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The optimal dates for the attacks are Aug. 6, the anniversary of the Hiroshima bombing, Sept. 11 and May 14, the anniversary of the re-creation of the state of Israel in 1948. No specific year has been suggested, however, this Aug. 6 represents the 60th anniversary of the Hiroshima attack.
Another requirement dictated from the top at al-Qaida is that the attacks take place in daylight, so that the whole world will be able to see the images of a mushroom cloud over an American city.
One of the sources for the information is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the chief planner of the Sept. 11 attacks, who is now in U.S. custody.
Interesting.
If there's one thing I've learned it's this....America can withstand an attack. If they killed 10 million people it still wouldn't kill this country. We'd join together and come back fighting mad. What CAN kill this country is its own people turning their backs on God. I'm more worried about THAT than I am worried about ANYTHING that Bin Laden or any other terrorist organization can do.
If there's one thing I've learned it's this....America can withstand an attack. If they killed 10 million people it still wouldn't kill this country. We'd join together and come back fighting mad. What CAN kill this country is its own people turning their backs on God. I'm more worried about THAT than I am worried about ANYTHING that Bin Laden or any other terrorist organization can do.
Originally posted by Mexstan
Washington top the preferred target list for al-Qaida leadership
Washington top the preferred target list for al-Qaida leadership
I'm just kidding! Just alittle humor!
Hoss hit the nail on the head!
Another thought. If we “declining Americans” stopped buying the lower priced, foreign produced, items then cooperate America wouldn't have to move jobs out of the country. We the consumer drive the markets. All cooperate America does is satisfy our appetites. Are our trucks American made if they are assembled in Mexico? Would you be willing to pay even more for the truck you drive to have it assembled in the good ole USA or do you complain that these trucks already cost too much? A few people are no longer employed in the USA so a bunch of people could save money, in effect putting the money they saved back into the economy. If the saved money also bought cheap foreign products then you start to see the vicious cycle. But, if the saved money went into a USA made product, like a house, then maybe more jobs were created then lost. A couple auto assembler jobs lost but a bunch of house builder jobs created. HMMMM.
Another thought. If we “declining Americans” stopped buying the lower priced, foreign produced, items then cooperate America wouldn't have to move jobs out of the country. We the consumer drive the markets. All cooperate America does is satisfy our appetites. Are our trucks American made if they are assembled in Mexico? Would you be willing to pay even more for the truck you drive to have it assembled in the good ole USA or do you complain that these trucks already cost too much? A few people are no longer employed in the USA so a bunch of people could save money, in effect putting the money they saved back into the economy. If the saved money also bought cheap foreign products then you start to see the vicious cycle. But, if the saved money went into a USA made product, like a house, then maybe more jobs were created then lost. A couple auto assembler jobs lost but a bunch of house builder jobs created. HMMMM.
If you've ever known anybody that was in the textile industry, and was shut-down by these "trade agreements" knows what kind of problems they have. Just sit down and talk to these guys, they will set you straight on how bad these agreements are. I have had the pleasure of talking to these textile factory owners while guiding them duck hunting, and some of their stories are amazing.
HOHN-that brings back bad memories of economics class, lol.
Also, like mentioned above, teenagers today are lazy. I may only be 19, but I have a good work ethic. I have worked for a long, long time, most of it not for pay when I was younger. My old boss(worked for a farm market for the past 5 years before college) was very angry to see me leave, and he had good reason to be, he cant find anybody around there that wants to pull 60+ hours a week of hard labor in the hot summer, most kids nowadays dont want to do anything. I see this up here in college too, some people lay around the pool all day, not doing anything, not working, their folks paying for everything. Makes me sick.
And about the Bin Laden thing, we should have terminated his whole country in the first place, then we wouldnt have to worry about him. I think that the government knows where he is, they have all this sophisticated technology, and cant find him. Come on now, to me, that doesnt seem right, they have all kinds of satelittes and all that stuff in space all the time, that could easily watch his every move. The press doesnt help stuff either, they blow stuff way out of proportion, and it just gives them more reason to do more horrible crimes. They should all be nuked if you ask me.
And yes, that comment about what Bin Laden wants to do to the USA scares the crap out of me.
HOHN-that brings back bad memories of economics class, lol.
Also, like mentioned above, teenagers today are lazy. I may only be 19, but I have a good work ethic. I have worked for a long, long time, most of it not for pay when I was younger. My old boss(worked for a farm market for the past 5 years before college) was very angry to see me leave, and he had good reason to be, he cant find anybody around there that wants to pull 60+ hours a week of hard labor in the hot summer, most kids nowadays dont want to do anything. I see this up here in college too, some people lay around the pool all day, not doing anything, not working, their folks paying for everything. Makes me sick.
And about the Bin Laden thing, we should have terminated his whole country in the first place, then we wouldnt have to worry about him. I think that the government knows where he is, they have all this sophisticated technology, and cant find him. Come on now, to me, that doesnt seem right, they have all kinds of satelittes and all that stuff in space all the time, that could easily watch his every move. The press doesnt help stuff either, they blow stuff way out of proportion, and it just gives them more reason to do more horrible crimes. They should all be nuked if you ask me.
And yes, that comment about what Bin Laden wants to do to the USA scares the crap out of me.
Why would our government want to catch Bin Laden? Him being free has allowed them to take away more of our freedoms than they have ever been able to do before. He is exactly what the government wants. Someone putting fear into americans so they can take away your liberties and freedoms all in the name of security. Set down and compare the patriot act to some of the laws written by Hitler and the ****'s.
Originally posted by Shovelhead
Only thing that I can't seem to figure out, is that if the US sucks so bad 'cuz we're "In Decline", why are all the folks still trying to cross INTO the US instead of leaving?
Only thing that I can't seem to figure out, is that if the US sucks so bad 'cuz we're "In Decline", why are all the folks still trying to cross INTO the US instead of leaving?
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by Rep. Ron Paul, MD <http://www.house.gov/paul/mail/welcome.htm>
by Rep. Ron Paul, MD
Congress passed a multinational trade bill known as CAFTA last week, but not without a feverish late night vote marred by controversy and last-minute vote switching. Leaving aside the arguments for or against CAFTA itself, the process by which the bill ultimately passed should sicken every American who believes in representative government.
Late-night arm-twisting by House leaders to get votes is of course nothing new. We witnessed far worse when Congress passed the ruinous Medicare prescription drug bill in the dead of night two years ago. Yet even after months of unprecedented wheeling and dealing by corporate lobbyists, congressional leaders, and the White House, the Washington establishment still failed to pass CAFTA in the US House. That’s right, when the 15-minute voting period expired last Wednesday evening, CAFTA seemingly had been defeated.
Here’s how. As the vote progressed, the tally was neck and neck. When the 15-minute period ended, CAFTA had gone down in flames. But pro-CAFTA forces were so determined to get what they wanted, they broke the rules. House leadership ignored the time limit and kept twisting arms and making deals until they finally had the votes to pass CAFTA nearly an hour later.
What kind of deals? Well, one member of House leadership told reluctant legislators, “We've got to have you; you tell us what you want.†And tell they did. Lawmakers in textile producing states were bought off with promises of textile subsidies. Lawmakers in sugar-producing states were bought off with promises of special treatment in the 2007 farm bill. On and on it went, with promises of new bridges, parks, and whatever else it took to pass CAFTA.
Rest assured that you will pay dearly for these bribes used to buy votes. Every favor granted and every pet project funded comes on top of the pork-laden appropriations bills already passed in the House this year. These new goodies will be added to the final House-Senate versions passed later this year. One of my colleagues estimated that the price tag for buying the CAFTA vote will be at least $50 billion. That’s right, $50 billion to win a vote. Is this what you want from your representatives in office?
Perhaps the strangest vote buyoff occurred two days before the CAFTA vote. Lawmakers from hard-hit manufacturing districts steadfastly have opposed CAFTA, arguing that it would accelerate the outsourcing of jobs to nations with cheap labor. So House leaders scrambled to craft last-minute legislation to “get tough†on China, which is the real source of concern for most American manufacturers. A bill was drawn up, and a hasty vote cast, so lawmakers could explain that they traded a yes vote on CAFTA for action against China. One small problem presented itself, however: the China bill failed on the House floor! So House leaders went back to the drawing board, struck some and held a second vote on the same bill the next day. This time it passed, but its chances of surviving the Senate or a White House veto are virtually nil. So members from manufacturing districts literally sold their votes for nothing. Their months of double-talking, coyness, and vote peddling resulted in nothing more than an empty promise.
The president’s press secretary called the CAFTA vote “a real victory for the American people.†The problem is the vast majority of Americans have not even heard of CAFTA, and those who have overwhelmingly oppose it. CAFTA was conceived and created by corporate interests, and to claim otherwise is preposterous. The CAFTA vote had nothing to do with the American public, or even trade policy per se. CAFTA was driven by politics and nothing more. Multinational corporations and political globalists share the same goals, namely the centralization of political power in international bodies and the diminution of national sovereignty. What we witnessed last week was not just the selling of votes, but also a sellout of American control over our own trade regulations.
August 2, 2005
Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress from Texas.
by Rep. Ron Paul, MD <http://www.house.gov/paul/mail/welcome.htm>
by Rep. Ron Paul, MD
Congress passed a multinational trade bill known as CAFTA last week, but not without a feverish late night vote marred by controversy and last-minute vote switching. Leaving aside the arguments for or against CAFTA itself, the process by which the bill ultimately passed should sicken every American who believes in representative government.
Late-night arm-twisting by House leaders to get votes is of course nothing new. We witnessed far worse when Congress passed the ruinous Medicare prescription drug bill in the dead of night two years ago. Yet even after months of unprecedented wheeling and dealing by corporate lobbyists, congressional leaders, and the White House, the Washington establishment still failed to pass CAFTA in the US House. That’s right, when the 15-minute voting period expired last Wednesday evening, CAFTA seemingly had been defeated.
Here’s how. As the vote progressed, the tally was neck and neck. When the 15-minute period ended, CAFTA had gone down in flames. But pro-CAFTA forces were so determined to get what they wanted, they broke the rules. House leadership ignored the time limit and kept twisting arms and making deals until they finally had the votes to pass CAFTA nearly an hour later.
What kind of deals? Well, one member of House leadership told reluctant legislators, “We've got to have you; you tell us what you want.†And tell they did. Lawmakers in textile producing states were bought off with promises of textile subsidies. Lawmakers in sugar-producing states were bought off with promises of special treatment in the 2007 farm bill. On and on it went, with promises of new bridges, parks, and whatever else it took to pass CAFTA.
Rest assured that you will pay dearly for these bribes used to buy votes. Every favor granted and every pet project funded comes on top of the pork-laden appropriations bills already passed in the House this year. These new goodies will be added to the final House-Senate versions passed later this year. One of my colleagues estimated that the price tag for buying the CAFTA vote will be at least $50 billion. That’s right, $50 billion to win a vote. Is this what you want from your representatives in office?
Perhaps the strangest vote buyoff occurred two days before the CAFTA vote. Lawmakers from hard-hit manufacturing districts steadfastly have opposed CAFTA, arguing that it would accelerate the outsourcing of jobs to nations with cheap labor. So House leaders scrambled to craft last-minute legislation to “get tough†on China, which is the real source of concern for most American manufacturers. A bill was drawn up, and a hasty vote cast, so lawmakers could explain that they traded a yes vote on CAFTA for action against China. One small problem presented itself, however: the China bill failed on the House floor! So House leaders went back to the drawing board, struck some and held a second vote on the same bill the next day. This time it passed, but its chances of surviving the Senate or a White House veto are virtually nil. So members from manufacturing districts literally sold their votes for nothing. Their months of double-talking, coyness, and vote peddling resulted in nothing more than an empty promise.
The president’s press secretary called the CAFTA vote “a real victory for the American people.†The problem is the vast majority of Americans have not even heard of CAFTA, and those who have overwhelmingly oppose it. CAFTA was conceived and created by corporate interests, and to claim otherwise is preposterous. The CAFTA vote had nothing to do with the American public, or even trade policy per se. CAFTA was driven by politics and nothing more. Multinational corporations and political globalists share the same goals, namely the centralization of political power in international bodies and the diminution of national sovereignty. What we witnessed last week was not just the selling of votes, but also a sellout of American control over our own trade regulations.
August 2, 2005
Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress from Texas.
Originally posted by mcoleman
Why would our government want to catch Bin Laden? Him being free has allowed them to take away more of our freedoms than they have ever been able to do before. He is exactly what the government wants. Someone putting fear into americans so they can take away your liberties and freedoms all in the name of security. Set down and compare the patriot act to some of the laws written by Hitler and the ****'s.
Why would our government want to catch Bin Laden? Him being free has allowed them to take away more of our freedoms than they have ever been able to do before. He is exactly what the government wants. Someone putting fear into americans so they can take away your liberties and freedoms all in the name of security. Set down and compare the patriot act to some of the laws written by Hitler and the ****'s.
There is plenty of information out there this being just one link that suggests that I'm not.
http://www.furnitureforthepeople.com/actpat.htm
http://www.furnitureforthepeople.com/actpat.htm
http://www.thenewamerican.com/artman...index_63.shtml
Being informed on what they are really up to in the Gov. is very important unless you like being mushroom.
Being informed on what they are really up to in the Gov. is very important unless you like being mushroom.
Originally posted by mcoleman
http://www.thenewamerican.com/artman...index_63.shtml
Being informed on what they are really up to in the Gov. is very important unless you like being mushroom.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/artman...index_63.shtml
Being informed on what they are really up to in the Gov. is very important unless you like being mushroom.
I have taken note of one thing and this site backs it up as well. With all the civil rights claims and constant retoric, has anyone noticed how Rice is constantly hit on. She is discribed by some as a child in tha grow up position. In reality she is probably the most experienced and knowledgable person to hold the position. This all comes under the heading "do as I say, not as I do"



I'm embarrised for you.