......Bingo..........

 

Does anyone else see the irony in that comment??

 

What do you not agree with?? Forgive me if that has been answered. I haven't read through pages 4-6 yet.

 

I don't use them because they're too expensive to practice with and I like to end my range sessions by firing at least 50 rounds of my carry ammo through my gun. Doing that does two things for me: 1) I know my carry ammo is 100% reliable in my gun because I have fired a LOT of it (if it's not 100% I won't carry it); and 2) By shooting my carry ammo last my body remembers it (my carry ammo has more punch than my target ammo). I'd go bankrupt if I tried to do that with Safety Plugs.

 

I guess some still believe you should try to shoot the gun out of the bad guy's hand first.

 

I would agree with you, BUT, if someone breaks into my house while I'm home then it means they have completely ignored the alarm that is going off AND they have already killed or simply don't care about the two BIG dogs that will be, at a minimum, barking ferociously at them. Someone who is willing to ignore the alarm and take on the dogs is there to do more than steal.

I hope and pray I NEVER have to use a gun in self defense, but I'm still going to try and prepare myself as best I can by learning good tactics from qualified instructors and practicing often.

I'd never shoot anyone for stealing, but if they're willing to come into my house at night despite the alarm system AND the dogs then I'm going to assume they are there to cause harm to me or my family and I will react accordingly.

 

I see there are a few of you out there that say you have already experienced this situation and not just running scenarios through your head, so let me ask those people a question. I have been in the situation twice now where I believe that just the fact of having a weapon in my hand averted the need to use it, made them think twice about there odds. In both of these all the planning and thinking about what I would do went out the window I was running on reflex and adrenaline and I am just wondering if this is the case in most people. For all of you that have this plan for close and long range and what if's in your head I hope your calm enough to remember those things if the time ever comes.

 

Close range, I plan/practice to deal with the intruder with extreme prejudice.

Long? range, If possible, avoid the threat, and I won't have to deal with it.

I guess it depends on your definition of long.

Tuller Drill teaches that anyone within 21 feet is a direct threat.

 

That's exactly why practice and training are so important (and when I say practice I'm not just talking about standing still and shooting a stationary paper target that is 7 yards in front of you). There's a popular saying on the gun boards that goes like this: "When the stuff hits the fan, you're not going to rise to the occasion. You're going to default to your level of training."

It is good to have a plan, but know that when things go down your body is going to take over and react the way it has been trained to react.

 

I'm with ya Hoss, I'm a die hard believer in practice and training and not intending to dissuade it at all. I just don't think most people realize that when they are in the position it's not gonna go like you planned it in your head. Self defense in completely neccesary evil in this world but these need to follow the "KISS Rule", keep it simple stupid. The more if's, and's or but's you put into this plan the more chance for something going wrong. For home use I would rely on the shotgun method, less chance of missing and one shot should do the trick. In that close of quarters that is probably all you will have time to get off before it's over one way or the other. And in this situation your aim will not be as steady as the 10,000 rounds you have practiced with.

 

Hoss.....Up here we look at owning hand guns differently as I'm sure you are aware. I've hunted for years and owning rifles and shotguns used to be pretty easy. Hand guns on the other hand required a special permit that was a big hassle to get. Even then you were not allowed to carry them unless you were going to the shooting range or traveling from the range to your residence. All of this was stipulated on your permit. Concealed weapons for the average person is totally out of the question and against the law. There are collectors of old military style hand guns who own them and trade them just for the pleasure of it. They still require a permit. Gun owners, especially hand gun owners are in the minority.

Most people do not have loaded weapons of any kind in their residence and wouldn't even think of having one. The law now requires hunters who own hunting rifles and shotguns to store their guns with trigger locks on them, and, placed in a locked gun cabinet. Ammunition has to be stored separately.

I will say where I live to hear that someone has been shot with any kind of gun is very rare. We don't worry about someone breaking in our homes and shooting us because it just doesn't happen to the average law abiding citizen. It wouldn't even occur to me to lock my bedroom door for fear that someone would come in and shoot me. There are times when the door to the house doesn't get locked.

This is what I mean when I say my thinking on this subject is different. Is this right or wrong?.....I don't think it's either, it's just different from your way.

 

Well, I can honestly say I'm glad I don't live in Canada.

 

Well put JKA, the thought of being attacked or having someone break into my house with intent to harm is not even a consideration for me. I can't even remember the last time there was a shooting here in Calgary that wasn't related to new up and coming asian gangs, and as far as I'm concerned, as long as they are only killing each other, I couldn't care less. I go down the block to a buddies house during the afternoon and/or evening, and I never even lock my house.
I saw on the news the other night that a school is the US was happy that they finally got metal detectors installed........What the hell is with that???.........I'm happy that my kids go to a school that doesn't need them!!!
Why do you guys carry daily? Is it that bad or is it paranoia? Are people on your street having their homes broken into and their lives threatened on a regular basis? I'm not trying to insult or aggravate, just trying to understand the concept, for as you can tell, its completely unheard of up here. I read the truck descriptions, and look at pictures in the galleries, nobody here appears to be living in a broken down crime infested ghetto by the looks of things so whats the deal? Any of you ever seen Bowling for Columbine?
One more question - where do you keep all of these guns? anyone have any children? You may think we're naiive and not want to live here, but would you rather feel relaxed with your wife and kids asleep in their beds, or stressed out that someone out there is going to try to kill you while your doing it?

 

An intruder with Body Armor? High on something more likely. Some folks questioned the firearm response's- for these folks I suggest a dog, a baseball bat or a 6 cell mag lite, pepper spray, a small marine style air horn. (Dont forget the heavy duty zip tyes). Something. I have all of these strategicaly placed for quick access. The mrs's is familiar and comfortable with these.
Have a plan. This is a top priority.
Our house is set up so the daughters bedroom door is opposite mine at the end of the hallway. Both doors stay open, the dog sleeps between. The plan goes into action when I am called by my middle name. This is the code for everybody get down, and shut up. ( Doesnt matter what time of day- our plan is ready 24/7)
What I say I would do vs what I WILL do may be 2 different things. Will I go running thru the house with the Taurus from under the pillow? Will I grab the SIG 380 from the cookie jar? Are they trying to break into the garage and when I shoot the flare gun at them will they be too busy trying to compose themselves to hear me scream " Get on the Fing ground"?
I am quite sure if the situation presents itself, my concern for my family would have me barricade ourselves in our end room. All bets are off if the door were to open.
I knew a trooper who had an intruder in his homes lower level. With the upstairs bedrooms occupied, he basically called downstairs saying" take whatever you want, but if you come up here you will die". It scared the intruder(s) away. This true tale has stayed with me for 30 years.
I think I have mellowed in my old age...20 years ago I would have had the bad guys calling 911

 

No offense, but per the above posts, I read that there is no crime in Canada? The figure that I remember hearing is that crime is up. Am I wrong?