It sounds fairly simple to me:

What started out as a misunderstanding between the pro and Ernie, turned into screwing you over. From what you have explained, BOTH of those parties involved had an opportunity to make it right when they realized there was a mistake and the horse was spoken for by another buyer (a deal is a deal) and BOTH chose to ignore that. I would be most disappointed with Ernie since it sounds like you have a long business relationship and a mutual trust with him and he refused a deposit and stated that he trusted you, no doubt because of a long history of a good business relationship! I suppose I'm having some trouble understanding exactly what Ernie was confused about when he made a deal with you for the purchase of Troy.

 

I blame them both, but Ernie in particular. You and Ernie had an agreement and he didn't honor it. I wouldn't buy any more horses from Ernie or ever talk to the other bozo again. Go find another, even better, horse and move on with your life.

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I'm involved in these situations all the time.

1. I was borna nd raised in the purebred livestock business and still invol;ved to this day.

2. I sell Ag Equipment for a living.

Quite Frankly I don't blame Ernie at all, a guy was standing there with cxash in hand and paid his price for the horse, how can he say no?

You should have gone through with the deal prior to that and completed the transaction.

What if Ernie turned the sale down and YOU never came through with the money or who knows what?


Reminds me of an incident two years ago.

One of my best customers was looking for a small inexpensive manure spreader to clean out his calving barn and a few little jobs. He had Pro corral cleaners come and do the big work. SO I said I'd keep my eye out. Me got a single axle older New Holland that looked like it would do the job so I called him up on a friday and said this is what I have $3,500 and it's yours.

Monday morning a customer comes in and sees my spreader, he asks how much and I tell him the $3,500 price. He says too much, I'll give you $3,000. I tell him "no, one of my best customers is interested in it a $3,500 I think he'll take it soon as he gets a chance to look at it".

So this guy goes ahead and writes a cheque for $3,500 and it's a done deal.

Same day customer "A" comes in and says "one of your parts guys says you just sold that spreader!" , "I would have taken it!".

So what should I have done? Not sold the spreader on speculation? Or taken the sure thing from the guy that paid my price and wrote a cheque that minute?

 

its easy to say,i,would have bought it after its sold.if i had $20 for every time someone told me i,ll buy that and he changes his mind or his wife says your not buying that i could buy a new truck.cash talks the rest can walk.

 

Your incident seems different to me. You did not have an agreement to purchase (whether it be verbal or other) with the buyer already in place prior to the other customer walking in off of the street that bought it.

You didn't make a deal with the first guy....all you said was that if you run across a spreader, you'd let him know - to me, a far cry from an agreement to purchase. In light of your description of the incident, you were not bound by any agreement to sell that spreader to the first guy.

 

That is fine. But to refuse a down payment after it is offered AND make a verbal agreement to purchase with the buyer and then sell to someone else is a sign of a dishonest businessman. A deal is a deal. If you don't like the terms of the agreement, don't agree to it. This isn't that difficult.

 

Ok, so no call received last night from the guy that actually now owns the horse. No Big deal...I figure they will get the horse into Canada and at that point its a PITA deal to get him back.

Sooo....Made alot of phone calls last night to friends around the field trial circuit and talked to a bunch of guys with quality TN Walkers for sale and turns out a friend up here in OH who owns the LaRue Sale barn (plus he originally owned Troy before selling him to Ernie.) Well Tom is hooking me up he's on his way back from GA with 5-6 new horses and my wife has first pick of any of them. Plus Tom stopped by a friends place down there and picked up a 3 1/2 yo gelding that is a half brother to Troy out of the same stallion he guaranteed I'd like him better than Troy and I already like the price

So the Pro that got Troy I guess I'm going to wish him the best of luck with him...but words gotten around and I'm sure folks will realize that he's not trustworthy. Its a small community and when you screw someone these folks don't like it and will put their business elsewhere.

 

Well, it all sounds like it is going to work out in your favour in the end. That is good news. Hopefully, the old lady takes to this horse as well or better than Troy. Best of luck to you.

 

I've delt with Ernie for years and he's never taken a down payment for anything. Its just the way he operates...I honestly think he got confused about me directing this Pro to him for a horse. But he should have NEVER pulled Troy out for the Pro to look at. A friend has already spoken to Ernie concerning this whole situation and Ernie feels really bad about it and does not want to loose my business. I'll be back up his way on Friday and have a chat with Ernie, his cousin was making me some halters and I need to pick those up.

 

I've been around horses all my life, and worked with them professionally for over 33 years now.
My advice to anyone buying a horse would be to never look too interested, never get into a bidding contest, and most importantly, there is ALWAYS a better, and cheaper horse somewhere else.
The difference between a $700.00 horse, and a $7,000 horse is "the nerve to ask".
Remember, and don't take this personally, most people really don't know what they're buying. Hey, most people don't know what they're selling either! Bottom line is, there is a reason a horse is for sale, and if that horse was that great, it wouldn't be for sale.
If your wife is the person who will be using this horse, have her try it out, spend some time with it, under different conditions, and see if they "get along".
Biggest mistake I see people make, is the horse they get "doesn't suit them".
Finally, there is an old cowboy saying, "You only get one good horse, and one good woman in a lifetime"..." I had me a good horse once"!

 

see told ya that there was reason why this happened called carma

 

You've got that right!

 

Well - it sounds as if your situaton is working out for the better in the end, and I'm thankful for that (funny how these challanges often are there for us to learn with, isn't it?). But now I have a seperate, different thing to think about with you - and it's only due to the fact that I've been around too many folks where this didn't happen.

With all due respect to your wife, have you though about sitting down with her and talking this out? Frankley, the entire horse situaiton, and the Pro who took it away, etc, PALES in comparison with the comments that your wife was very angry and very mad. The fact is, that's life, sometimes these things happen, and if she cannot or will not see that you have sincerely tried everything your could Not to have it occur, and is still mad and angry with you - there's a very deep seeded issue that needs to be dealt with, as soon as possible. I would much rather see you work through this in your marriage than to have you carry on, leaving this and possibily other issues outstanding there. It's quite likely that you may want to seek out a marriage conselor to assist.

Hope this dosen't step in the wrong areas. It's just that people's expectations are hard to discern (I know, I'm dating currently and my girlfriend and I try to be very open with each other, but still conflict can occur and we often need someone else to point things out.) so I hope that your wife and you are able to come to a deeper understanding through all this. Best of luck with this situation - hang in there and be faithul to your real friends - Ernie being one of them.

 

I don't want to sound like an ***, but, any horse owner who truely cares about the well being of the horse should not let the amish any where near the feet. They're hooves are the most important part
of them. The term "No foot, no horse" holds water.
Below is a horse that I shod. A show jumper. I have been shoeing full time for 18 years, and believe me, I have just about seen it all.

Remember, the cheapest part of owning the horse is purchasing it. Do your horse a favor and hire and deal with professionals. Just like anything else you get what you pay for. If you really want the best for your horse(s) educate yourself on the anatomy and biomechanics of the equine limb. There's more to it then just hanging iron on a foot.

I would use the term here "pro" lightly. True pro's don't buy horses from the amish.

The horses will thank you, and, you will get many more serviceable years out of them.

Hope it works for you!

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twodiesels, your prejudice is overwhelming.

So you've had some bad experiences, and you've been doing something for 18 years. That does not make you the expert. You do as you choose and I'll remember my Amish friends for the qualities they've demonstrated, not your opinions.