yes, most of the weapons came from France and Russia, but unfortunately there are a lot of weapons caches in Iraq that have US Mil Spec numbers all over them.

Herb, what's your point in quoting Cobtex? Yes I've done things wrong in the past; but saying "oops I shouldn't have been driving 120mph on that backroad" is a lot different than "oops I just put my entire country in danger because I gave nuclear tech to our enemies for money". The second one is called treason.

 

Cobtex's reference was to my comments crediting "FORMER" administrations for the position of power that Sadam had been able to amass that finally resulted in this country going to war to get him out of the drivers seat.

I was simply applying his same comment to a later statement refering to "FORMER" administrations

"anyone see anything wrong with Iran having the nuclear technology that they have(most of which came indirectly from the *ahem* FORMER administration) "

 

Pardon? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the last reports I read regarding Iran's nuclear abilities came from Russia.

 

The weapons we are recovering /recovered.....in the area I am at is all Russian
Missiles, mines (I dont know why they had water mines in the desert..maybe for the tigris????), RPG's and various different mortars (that they love to lob at us at very convenient times) as well as all kinds of artillary shells. All in russian.

We have 2 very big missiles that were designed to hold chemical warheads....
They were manufactured Locally.

All the rifles we have confiscated say "made in Iraq" all with dates in the 70's.

These guys are using whatever they can fashion to explode.........really bottom of the barrell stuff. Im afraid they may be running out of stuff to use against us....in this area anyway......

I know we helped em against Iran but the missiles we are recovering are of newer technology than that era. I believe Russia had their hands in it some way.....

Anybody that thinks Saddam had no connection to 9/11 - Why are their murals painted here of jets crashing into the towers with saddam painted on em smilin? I believe he was connected but i wont argue with you. Everyone has their own opinoins but you won't get to believe he wasnt involved

til i can get back on here again..thanks for the support guys and take care

ill keep yall updated

 

Thanks Larry, I agree with you and like your point of view on "the other guys"

To all who said thanks....Your welcome. It makes the job worthwhile to see the difference with your own to eyes. Thats the real "thanks". Personal job satsfaction.

 

i beleive that the comment about Irans nuculer tecnoledgy was intended to suggest had been furnished to them by the Clinton administration

 

First things first …
I know that the subject of this thread has changed, but here is a response to some earlier posts……
Although I am against the war for a number of reasons, I want all to know that I do support the troops overseas. I have a ton or respect for them, what they do, and their work. When I read about a fatality, I get very bummed, and, from the bottom of my heart, I wish each every person to come home safe and sound.

I am curious, why are the words “lefty liberals”, “left media”, and “liberal one-sided media” are used in such a derogatory way? I have not found one post that refers to other sources and viewpoints in such a way. I believe in constructive, respectful discussion, it should make you think, open up a bit (for both sides) and when responding, not make it knee-jerk.

“See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." — Bush in Greece, New York

……….and I get accused of “left media” brainwashing??????????

“A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest”
“The Boxer” by Simon and Garfunkel

To jon96ctd: If you think Saddam is responsible for the attacks on 911, please read the independent report by the 911 commission. First they blast our intelligence, then they go on to report that there is NO link between 911 and Saddam, and there never was. They even go on to say that there is no link between Saddam and Osama. Osama Binnie-boy is the guy we want for 911. We went to Afghanistan to kick his butt, but so far have failed to find him. Later we attacked Iraq, and now Osama is all but forgotten. I brought him up earlier because he is the ramrod behind 911. Sadly, there is a large percentage of people who still believe that Saddam and 911 are linked, a myth brought to you by Bush. Please read my second quote.

If there were ANY trace of warhead, rocket, biological, or ANYTHING concerning WMD’s, believe me, the Bush administration would be setting off fireworks and rubbing it in big time. Remember the “aluminum tubes” that were found in the early
part of the war? How they were paraded around as proof of WMD’s and Saddams intentions? After cooler heads prevailed, and they were studied, they turned out to be nothing. Remember the “biological trucks” also found? Ditto. NOTHING, either as a complete weapon, or a piece of one has been found, otherwise it would be all over. To be honest, I wish something had been found, as then the war would then be justified, and Bush would not have to keep changing his the reasons for the war.

In the beginning, the war was started because of the threat of WMD’s and 911, although that part has now been disproved. This war was started by Bush toying with us, using FEAR as his way to get his message across. Next he questioned our patriotism by saying if we were not with him, we were against him. I watched Colin Powell use his pointer in his U.N. speech, telling us that this building is this, and this truck is that, all relating to biological warfare. I listened to Condoleezza Rice say that we do not want his (Saddam) next message to be a mushroom cloud. Anybody remember that? Marketing war through fear. Nothing has been found, but the reasons for the war have been changed accordingly. This is not the first time such tactics have been used, and it probably will not be the last. I have added some quotes below, some by rather rotten men, but still they were still smart.

"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country. -- Hermann Goering, President of the Reichstag, **** Party, and Luftwaffe Commander in Chief"

"Our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear-kept us in a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor-with the cry of grave national emergency. Always there has been some terrible evil at home or some monstrous foreign power that was going to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally behind it ... -- General Douglas MacArthur, 1957"

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President Right or Wrong, is not only Unpatriotic and Servile, but is Morally Treasonable to the American Public. Former Republican President, Theodore Roosevelt"

"How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think. -- Adolph Hitler"

"I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts. -- Abraham Lincoln"

I am sorry for the long post, but to all of you and me, this is important. Throat dry, fingers chapped, headed for a beer!

To Zack: I just read your last interesting post. You mention murals showing planes hitting the towers. For me, all of this is very new. I wonder why Fox News or Rush Limbaugh, in their unbiased newscasts, have not broadcast this information. I wonder why Newsweek, Time or U.S. News and Would Report show nothing. I know that the Republicans have taken a lot of flack for the no connection between 911 and Saddam, and I know that they would be happy to show the world that they were right. So far nothing official has made it to the U.S. I would be happy to be proven wrong in my views, but I need verified proof or information. Any links? Keep up your work, and may your return saftly.

 

Baja:
Very valid, well thought out and written statements. Common sense is refreshing around here every once in a while.

Thanks.

 

I too give 100% support to our son's and daughters who serve in the military. I know it is repeated over and over that we have an all volenteer military and that they are serving willingly.

I suspect that a "lot" of the troops would choose not to serve in Iraq if given the choice, but of course when you are military you are not given the choice, you do what you are told to do. "Serving willingly ?" Much the same as we expierenced during the Nam war.

You can see feet dug in on both the right and left but many it seems many of the staunch right supporters have backed off from their unquestioned support and loyality.

Even the listening public audiences have been dwindling for O'Rielly ,Lambaugh and Sean Hannity. I suspect this is because of their inability to examine and give credit and lay blame to both sides of an issue.
Heck, even I will admit Clinton made a couple errors

 

Baja, very nicely said without bringing out the hounds. As far as we know Bin Laden is still in Afgan and not in Iraq so what are we still looking?? I thought that when we didn't find the reason for the war, WMD, that it would be over. What eles is on the agenda and where are we going next????

Jim

 

OK, guys - - now we know. Not very many of us have any common sense.

Herb, thanks for your post. I can now sleep much better tonight after your thoughtful and insightful portrayal of world conditions. 1) the soldiers in Iraq do not know what is going on - - only the media knows. 2) never believe a president - - he is always lying (hmmm, I think I remember one especially), 3) I am not to pay any attention to militant Islamics - - they really mean me no harm - - ignore them and they will go away. We should not bother them in their training camps, interupt their intelligence, thwart their plans or bother them at home. In fact, don't bother them when they come here. They really do not want to kill me.

Gee, I feel so much knowing I can read my paper in the morning and know it will give me all the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me G---- ooopps, probably better not use that word either.

 

Baja, you're wrong. you're going off of information that was allowed to be released. you would think that we would be parading around the things we've found but we're not because it would be giving away how we knew about it and would create a security threat to our special task forces; not to mention the political mayhem that would ensue. My information has come from people that are air traffic controllers and weapons testers for official titles. If you know who they are you're on the ball, if you don't know who they are and what they do then none of this is going to make sense. Have a good day.

BTW I didn't say that Iran's nuke stuff came DIRECTLY from the Clintons

 

"OK, guys - - now we know. Not very many of us have any common sense"

You won't get an arguement out of me on that statement, thankfully, some of us do.
"propoganda" comes from BOTH sides. Both sides Lie to make their points of view appear to be valid.

Bob Barr http://www.antiwar.com/ips/fisher.php?articleid=5376

 

"To Zack: I just read your last interesting post. You mention murals showing planes hitting the towers. For me, all of this is very new. I wonder why Fox News or Rush Limbaugh, in their unbiased newscasts, have not broadcast this information. I wonder why Newsweek, Time or U.S. News and Would Report show nothing. I know that the Republicans have taken a lot of flack for the no connection between 911 and Saddam, and I know that they would be happy to show the world that they were right. So far nothing official has made it to the U.S. I would be happy to be proven wrong in my views, but I need verified proof or information. Any links? Keep up your work, and may your return saftly."

IT WAS ON CNN......

HERES THE LINK AND THE PIC

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/...prj.irq.mural/

NOTICE IRAQI AIRLINES

Another thing..quit saying "you volunteered"

I sure did..and i'm happy i did....im not whining that im in iraq with people takin pop shots and not wantin us here....I volunteered to come here also..yeah it sucks but i wanted to do my part.....So that said quit saying didnt you know you could die in the Armed forces?

Yeah i know but freedom aint free and the cost is worth it to me.

Thanks, Zack

 

WHO? Definatly not you.


"propoganda" comes from BOTH sides. Both sides Lie to make their points of view appear to be valid.
True, but we all know Democrates are better liers.