I swear they are just trying to ruin the diesel world!!
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Me too....
And I'm confused as to what "problem" they are refering to? If it's that global warming issue, I just don't buy it. Maybe the earth is getting warmer, maybe not. For humankind to think we have that much of an impact on mother earth, humankind must have some large ego. This planet will chew us up, spit us out, and there'd be hardly any evidence of our inhabitance on this small planet. Just my absolute honest opinion.
And I'm confused as to what "problem" they are refering to? If it's that global warming issue, I just don't buy it. Maybe the earth is getting warmer, maybe not. For humankind to think we have that much of an impact on mother earth, humankind must have some large ego. This planet will chew us up, spit us out, and there'd be hardly any evidence of our inhabitance on this small planet. Just my absolute honest opinion.
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It's simply the time honored tradition of "aim for the easiest target". The average Joe will read an article like that and nod the entire time. Do some people idle excessively, of course. Is it KILLING people like the article suggests...um...no. The insinuation is paramount blaming the invention of the wheel for traffic accidents. While the "green" contingent is on a campaign to single out every little tiny instance to glom onto and bring to popular knowledge, we got big oil making historic profits at the same time oil hits historic highs. Is there another industry on this planet that does better when their "product" reaches epic levels of wallet bashing? The short answer is no.
I would challenge the "green" contingent that if they want a real story and make a real difference then instead of doing "idle" studies they should look into big oil contributions to the political machine and the relevant incidence of lack of regulation and accountability displayed shamelessly in front of us everyday. If we are gonna pay record high prices then the seller should also be recording record low profits. This is price gouging on a national scale and all the companies can do with the additional profits is put it in there pockets. I wouldn't mind paying $3.50 for a gallon of diesel if the oil companies were forced to invest and research in alternative fuel sources. Oil companies are doing this to some degree, but that effort is so anemic that it's little more than a sideshow so they can make feel-good-Green-TV-adds. This country and her politicians are run by oil companies and anyone who thinks different is just plain ignoring the facts. We are addicted to oil and the pusher is driving the prices up...simply....because he can.
So my thoughts on the article are simple, pick a harder target.
I would challenge the "green" contingent that if they want a real story and make a real difference then instead of doing "idle" studies they should look into big oil contributions to the political machine and the relevant incidence of lack of regulation and accountability displayed shamelessly in front of us everyday. If we are gonna pay record high prices then the seller should also be recording record low profits. This is price gouging on a national scale and all the companies can do with the additional profits is put it in there pockets. I wouldn't mind paying $3.50 for a gallon of diesel if the oil companies were forced to invest and research in alternative fuel sources. Oil companies are doing this to some degree, but that effort is so anemic that it's little more than a sideshow so they can make feel-good-Green-TV-adds. This country and her politicians are run by oil companies and anyone who thinks different is just plain ignoring the facts. We are addicted to oil and the pusher is driving the prices up...simply....because he can.
So my thoughts on the article are simple, pick a harder target.
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My trucks sitting outside idling right now
I could be completely wrong on this but if a vehicle is using up more fuel wouldnt it have higher emmissions?? For example is my aunts minivan(I hate minivans so I'll use them as an example) that only gets 15mpg better emmissions wise than my cummins that gets 19-20mpg??? I have always wondered this and people always take 1 look at my truck and say thats its bad for the enviroment and think it gets terrible economy when who knows I might be doing better than they are.
I am going to college right now and there is a group down there that are tree huggin, tofu farting freaks who drive around in there little hybrid cars and put papers on peoples windshields about how they should get more fuel efficient vehicles, walk or ride bikes, and save the enviroment. They dont ever think about the fuel they use and trees they waste putting those #$%@ papers on my truck, then they tell me to walk to class while they drive by, practice what you preach if you know what I mean. Needless to say whenever I see them I have to jump up a gear and hold er to the floor and show em some smoke. Its great to look in the mirror and see em coughing and pointing fingers
I could be completely wrong on this but if a vehicle is using up more fuel wouldnt it have higher emmissions?? For example is my aunts minivan(I hate minivans so I'll use them as an example) that only gets 15mpg better emmissions wise than my cummins that gets 19-20mpg??? I have always wondered this and people always take 1 look at my truck and say thats its bad for the enviroment and think it gets terrible economy when who knows I might be doing better than they are.
I am going to college right now and there is a group down there that are tree huggin, tofu farting freaks who drive around in there little hybrid cars and put papers on peoples windshields about how they should get more fuel efficient vehicles, walk or ride bikes, and save the enviroment. They dont ever think about the fuel they use and trees they waste putting those #$%@ papers on my truck, then they tell me to walk to class while they drive by, practice what you preach if you know what I mean. Needless to say whenever I see them I have to jump up a gear and hold er to the floor and show em some smoke. Its great to look in the mirror and see em coughing and pointing fingers
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My trucks sitting outside idling right now
I could be completely wrong on this but if a vehicle is using up more fuel wouldnt it have higher emmissions?? For example is my aunts minivan(I hate minivans so I'll use them as an example) that only gets 15mpg better emmissions wise than my cummins that gets 19-20mpg??? I have always wondered this and people always take 1 look at my truck and say thats its bad for the enviroment and think it gets terrible economy when who knows I might be doing better than they are.
I am going to college right now and there is a group down there that are tree huggin, tofu farting freaks who drive around in there little hybrid cars and put papers on peoples windshields about how they should get more fuel efficient vehicles, walk or ride bikes, and save the enviroment. They dont ever think about the fuel they use and trees they waste putting those #$%@ papers on my truck, then they tell me to walk to class while they drive by, practice what you preach if you know what I mean. Needless to say whenever I see them I have to jump up a gear and hold er to the floor and show em some smoke. Its great to look in the mirror and see em coughing and pointing fingers
I could be completely wrong on this but if a vehicle is using up more fuel wouldnt it have higher emmissions?? For example is my aunts minivan(I hate minivans so I'll use them as an example) that only gets 15mpg better emmissions wise than my cummins that gets 19-20mpg??? I have always wondered this and people always take 1 look at my truck and say thats its bad for the enviroment and think it gets terrible economy when who knows I might be doing better than they are.
I am going to college right now and there is a group down there that are tree huggin, tofu farting freaks who drive around in there little hybrid cars and put papers on peoples windshields about how they should get more fuel efficient vehicles, walk or ride bikes, and save the enviroment. They dont ever think about the fuel they use and trees they waste putting those #$%@ papers on my truck, then they tell me to walk to class while they drive by, practice what you preach if you know what I mean. Needless to say whenever I see them I have to jump up a gear and hold er to the floor and show em some smoke. Its great to look in the mirror and see em coughing and pointing fingers
I always wonder, if hybrids are so GREAT, what in the world are we supposed to do with all the exhausted batteries those cars run on in 10 years.
OR better yet, I cant wait until I hear them crying on how muchh its going to cost them to fix their beloved hybrids when they break after their warranties are up.
There was an article in the Sun-Times (Chicago news paper) about how HONDA
, developed a hydrogen car. Honda said if they were to start producing them it would cost them approximately $300,000 YES I SAID $300,000 to build.
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no new refineries built in this country for 30 years-"mostly" due to regulations, created by certain politicians and organizations. the permit process takes something like 10-15 years to get approval-due nobody wanting it in their back yards, it will hurt the environment, it will kill the green spotted grasshopper,etc,etc
plenty of oil sitting in this country that could be drilled-but can't be
montana has tried the last couple of years to start the process to start making "synthetic" diesel by crushing coal (something like that) but that was stopped by tree huggers,etc
nobody wants clean burning coal plants
organizations out their that won't let nuclear plants to be built
there are companies coming into my area where i live wanting to put up wind farms-people are complaining about birds will die by flying into the blades. they say the hum from the blades will be too loud!
my point???? no matter what type of energy you come up with, you will be meant with a large opposition-mainly with their own agenda-until the people of this country grow a set and vote in the right people in government to do what needs to be done- the right way, the smart way and what is best for this country and the people-we'll continue to watch the third world countries (india,china) continue to grow their economies, while ours suffers!!
plenty of oil sitting in this country that could be drilled-but can't be
montana has tried the last couple of years to start the process to start making "synthetic" diesel by crushing coal (something like that) but that was stopped by tree huggers,etc
nobody wants clean burning coal plants
organizations out their that won't let nuclear plants to be built
there are companies coming into my area where i live wanting to put up wind farms-people are complaining about birds will die by flying into the blades. they say the hum from the blades will be too loud!
my point???? no matter what type of energy you come up with, you will be meant with a large opposition-mainly with their own agenda-until the people of this country grow a set and vote in the right people in government to do what needs to be done- the right way, the smart way and what is best for this country and the people-we'll continue to watch the third world countries (india,china) continue to grow their economies, while ours suffers!!
My brother is currently at the Mobil refinery in Channahon, IL. and they are in the process of a "NEW" addition.
The Citgo refinery in Lemont IL. has just cleared enough land to build 2 new refineries but they are calling it an "addition".
There is also 4 bio-diesel plants that will be built in IL. in the next couple of years. They are currently building one in Seneca, IL.
Since I am a Union Pipe Fitter, I get a Pipe Fitter magazine about all the upcoming work and let me tell you Bio-diesel is VERY promising in the near future.
I also read a good article a few months ago about how diesel vehicles are becoming very popular to build. I mean look every car manufacturer has a diesel vehicle out this year.
But anyways the article said that 2006 there were 150,000 diesel vehicles sold in the USA to CONSUMERS. It said by the end of 2010 it is estimated that it will be in the lines of 800,000 vehicles sold.
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I've always thought that bio-diesel seemed like a pretty smart idea. Also believe that finding ways to be a little more gentle on the environment is wise too. I was a bit surprised when I got stationed here in WA...for it being such a "green" state, there sure isn't a whole bunch of bio-diesel to be found. Just alot of high fuel prices.
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Well, having performed some engine testing in the relativley recent past, I can say that a well-known V-8 diesel, sitting coupled to a dyno on a test bed, with just the dyno's rolling load, used right around 1.8 lbs/hr of diesel fuel per hour. that means that 3.88 hours later, one gallon of fuel will be used.
As to emissions, it's true that many people think that at lower loads and speeds it's less, but in fact the opposite is generally the case. The warmer the exhaust temps are running, the more complete the burn cycle in the combustion chamber, and (generally) the lower the emissions. However, it's also at a higher state of fuel consumption to achieve the lower emissions--look at the regen cycle on the 6.7L's. More consumption, but lower emissions.
Toyota has dropped "fuel economy" as a selling point for the Prius and is now advertising it as the green "emissions" king.
As to emissions, it's true that many people think that at lower loads and speeds it's less, but in fact the opposite is generally the case. The warmer the exhaust temps are running, the more complete the burn cycle in the combustion chamber, and (generally) the lower the emissions. However, it's also at a higher state of fuel consumption to achieve the lower emissions--look at the regen cycle on the 6.7L's. More consumption, but lower emissions.
Toyota has dropped "fuel economy" as a selling point for the Prius and is now advertising it as the green "emissions" king.
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Me too....
And I'm confused as to what "problem" they are refering to? If it's that global warming issue, I just don't buy it. Maybe the earth is getting warmer, maybe not. For humankind to think we have that much of an impact on mother earth, humankind must have some large ego. This planet will chew us up, spit us out, and there'd be hardly any evidence of our inhabitance on this small planet. Just my absolute honest opinion.
And I'm confused as to what "problem" they are refering to? If it's that global warming issue, I just don't buy it. Maybe the earth is getting warmer, maybe not. For humankind to think we have that much of an impact on mother earth, humankind must have some large ego. This planet will chew us up, spit us out, and there'd be hardly any evidence of our inhabitance on this small planet. Just my absolute honest opinion.
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And perhaps this perspective might also shift the thinking just a little bit...
Livestock Are the Real Climate Pigs
By Drew Winter
WardsAuto.com, Nov 1, 2007 11:01 AM
Commentary“Climate Pig” is an insult that will sting European auto makers for some time to come after getting an earful from Greenpeace at the most recent Frankfurt auto show.
But it turns out that real pigs – along with cattle, sheep and other livestock – impact climate more swinishly than cars and trucks.
This underscores how cynical, selective and politicized the war on global warming has become.
All over the world, the auto industry is being singled out as the main villain in the global- warming crisis. In addition to a rising tide of ultra-tough government mandates designed to bully auto makers into building more fuel-efficient vehicles, politicians are devising punitive legislation and lawsuits that grow more ridiculous by the day.
A lawsuit by the State of California, seeking monetary damages from the nation’s six largest auto makers for causing the state’s wildfires and poor skiing conditions, was thrown out of court in September.
Last month, the European Parliament proposed that car advertisements in the European Union carry cigarette-style labels warning of the environmental dangers they cause.
Yet, a little-publicized report released last year by the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations says livestock are responsible for a greater portion of global warming than the transportation sector.
The guilty parties are methane, a natural byproduct of bovine digestion and oxides of nitrogen emitted by manure. Methane is a particularly virulent threat, the report says, because it has 23 times the global-warming potential as carbon dioxide.
Livestock also outnumber vehicles by a wide margin. The number of cars and trucks worldwide is expected to hit 1 billion sometime in 2008, but according to “Livestock’s Long Shadow,” there already are 1.5 billion cattle and domestic buffalo on the planet, plus 1.7 billion sheep and goats and billions more pigs and poultry.
The global damage is amplified by the fact ranchers chop down forests to create more grazing land.
Believe it or not, experts say it is possible to curb livestock methane emissions by modifying diet and other changes, if only it was required. And we all would be better off if we consumed less meat and more vegetables.
Yet, there is little concern over the impact livestock has on the global environment. Burger King has no mandate to reduce the size of its Whoppers 4% annually; Denny’s has not been ordered to serve one less slice of bacon in its Grand Slam breakfast by 2012.
Instead of being a noble battle on many fronts, the crusade to limit global warming is devolving into a petty culture war: in Europe it resembles a populist rebellion aimed at depriving the wealthy of their toys, and in the U.S. it looks like a campaign by city dwellers to stamp out the tragically un-hip lifestyles of suburban and rural America.
The auto industry needs to put out a memo that reminds everyone that saving the planet is not something you force your neighbor to do; it is everyone’s job.
Even so, if the auto industry is only part of the problem, it cannot be 100% of the solution.
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Livestock Are the Real Climate Pigs
By Drew Winter
WardsAuto.com, Nov 1, 2007 11:01 AM
Commentary“Climate Pig” is an insult that will sting European auto makers for some time to come after getting an earful from Greenpeace at the most recent Frankfurt auto show.
But it turns out that real pigs – along with cattle, sheep and other livestock – impact climate more swinishly than cars and trucks.
This underscores how cynical, selective and politicized the war on global warming has become.
All over the world, the auto industry is being singled out as the main villain in the global- warming crisis. In addition to a rising tide of ultra-tough government mandates designed to bully auto makers into building more fuel-efficient vehicles, politicians are devising punitive legislation and lawsuits that grow more ridiculous by the day.
A lawsuit by the State of California, seeking monetary damages from the nation’s six largest auto makers for causing the state’s wildfires and poor skiing conditions, was thrown out of court in September.
Last month, the European Parliament proposed that car advertisements in the European Union carry cigarette-style labels warning of the environmental dangers they cause.
Yet, a little-publicized report released last year by the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations says livestock are responsible for a greater portion of global warming than the transportation sector.
The guilty parties are methane, a natural byproduct of bovine digestion and oxides of nitrogen emitted by manure. Methane is a particularly virulent threat, the report says, because it has 23 times the global-warming potential as carbon dioxide.
Livestock also outnumber vehicles by a wide margin. The number of cars and trucks worldwide is expected to hit 1 billion sometime in 2008, but according to “Livestock’s Long Shadow,” there already are 1.5 billion cattle and domestic buffalo on the planet, plus 1.7 billion sheep and goats and billions more pigs and poultry.
The global damage is amplified by the fact ranchers chop down forests to create more grazing land.
Believe it or not, experts say it is possible to curb livestock methane emissions by modifying diet and other changes, if only it was required. And we all would be better off if we consumed less meat and more vegetables.
Yet, there is little concern over the impact livestock has on the global environment. Burger King has no mandate to reduce the size of its Whoppers 4% annually; Denny’s has not been ordered to serve one less slice of bacon in its Grand Slam breakfast by 2012.
Instead of being a noble battle on many fronts, the crusade to limit global warming is devolving into a petty culture war: in Europe it resembles a populist rebellion aimed at depriving the wealthy of their toys, and in the U.S. it looks like a campaign by city dwellers to stamp out the tragically un-hip lifestyles of suburban and rural America.
The auto industry needs to put out a memo that reminds everyone that saving the planet is not something you force your neighbor to do; it is everyone’s job.
Even so, if the auto industry is only part of the problem, it cannot be 100% of the solution.
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If I read that article right, that lady said that if a car is warming up for more then 10 seconds it is bad? Fuel injected or not you got to let a motor warm up before you take off going 75mph on the freeway.
My boss is a prime example. It will be 10 below zero, his Toyota F-J Cruiser will be sitting in the parking lot for 8+ hours, he jumps in fires it right up and takes off like a bat out of hell. I cringe everytime I see that. lol He will bend something in that motor one day, it dosen't even have oil everywhere yet. I'll let me truck idle as long I deem fit, last time I checked I pay for my fuel and my maintinance work.
I actually had a lady yell at me one day. I started my truck in the parking lot and it went to high idle, she asked me why I was revving up my loud stinky truck in the parking lot. I should of told her to wrap her lips around my tailpipe and tell me how loud it is then.
My boss is a prime example. It will be 10 below zero, his Toyota F-J Cruiser will be sitting in the parking lot for 8+ hours, he jumps in fires it right up and takes off like a bat out of hell. I cringe everytime I see that. lol He will bend something in that motor one day, it dosen't even have oil everywhere yet. I'll let me truck idle as long I deem fit, last time I checked I pay for my fuel and my maintinance work.
I actually had a lady yell at me one day. I started my truck in the parking lot and it went to high idle, she asked me why I was revving up my loud stinky truck in the parking lot. I should of told her to wrap her lips around my tailpipe and tell me how loud it is then.
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Nate,
I like your sig.
The Cummins only comes in one flavor: Hardcore. And there's no mistaking the sound, road presence and tarmac-twisting torque of this beast. It's brashly American. It's unquestionably nasty. It's why the French hate us.
I like your sig.
The Cummins only comes in one flavor: Hardcore. And there's no mistaking the sound, road presence and tarmac-twisting torque of this beast. It's brashly American. It's unquestionably nasty. It's why the French hate us.
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Well thank you, but I owe credit for my sig to someone else. I was reading a article on edmunds.com about the new 08 Corvette Z06 and the new 08 Dodge Viper. Replace "Cummins" w/ Viper and thats where I got the line. But I figured that the little straight 6 we run fits that line better then the V-10. 
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I'm with you. I'm wondering when the mainstream media will start listening to these scientist
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On the topic of people not minding their own business about big trucks on the road need to think that not everybody can live with a tiny useless car. My family eats and lives because my truck is big and does the job. I chose a diesel because it was the most economical option available for what I need in a vehicle. These people should applaud us for our choice. We could've all took the initial lesser investment and got a huge gasser engine that gets single digit mpg but we didn't. For these people to assume that what works for them will work for everybody is so blatently ignorant and stupid that it makes me respect people less.
p.s. For the retard that wrote the initial article that started this thread to say that engines don't need to idle in the cold including diesels knows absolutely nothing about how a diesel engine works and should just shut her mouth. I'm not going to jump into my truck with an $8000 diesel option and just take off so I can wash my cylinders and dilute the oil causing even more rapid wear.
p.s. For the retard that wrote the initial article that started this thread to say that engines don't need to idle in the cold including diesels knows absolutely nothing about how a diesel engine works and should just shut her mouth. I'm not going to jump into my truck with an $8000 diesel option and just take off so I can wash my cylinders and dilute the oil causing even more rapid wear.