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Old Jul 28, 2007 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Rpainter
On road fuels has a max of 500 ppm sulpher content off road fuel can have as much as 2500 ppm sulpher content you can get off road diesel all day long that is yellow but high in sulpher that is why color does not matter
That was until last year, there is no longer any diesel fuel availible in the US with sulfur over 500 ppm. This came with the ULSD change over. In 2010 all diesel will be 15 ppm ULSD, on and offroad.
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Old Jul 28, 2007 | 11:26 AM
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My uncle a DOT officer just told me that in 2010 15 ppm is on road and 500 ppm will be considered off road. I had him test the 1000 gallon tank on the farm and came back higher than 500 ppm fuel was delivered thursday morning??
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Old Jul 28, 2007 | 05:52 PM
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First, I will say I support random sampling of diesel tanks in this time of transition to USLD. At least if they are going to make it mandated, be consistant in the enforcement of it. I also keep recipts and will make a more concerted effort to have those orgainzed, just in case.

Now a further caution to 6.7L drivers. Since the EPA emission reguations on these January 2007 and newer engines are so strict, it's wise to consider the possible implications of changing them, especially the exhaust, DPF and emissions-control components. It's entirely reasonable to assume that if tehy stop you to dip your tank, they could check registration and begin looking for modificaitons (or more like - deleted componets). Not a scare tactic, just a possibility, right?
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Old Jul 28, 2007 | 06:22 PM
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My uncle a DOT officer just told me that in 2010 15 ppm is on road and 500 ppm will be considered off road. I had him test the 1000 gallon tank on the farm and came back higher than 500 ppm fuel was delivered thursday morning??


Your uncle is wrong

The sulfur content of diesel fuel will be dramatically phased down from its current uncontrolled level of 3,400 parts per million (ppm), the national average, to 500 ppm beginning in 2007 and then to 15 ppm in 2010.
Source> http://www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/fuels/diesel/diesel.htm
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Old Jul 28, 2007 | 07:16 PM
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Infidel, I reviewed the hyperlink you posted and found very specific verbage on "Non-Road Diesel". You probably also saw it but for the person just skimming the information, they might say that the new figures only applies to standard highway fuels.

The same standards Infidel cited are posted here but specifically under the title: Nonroad Diesel Fuel

This rule will reduce nonroad diesel fuel sulfur levels in two steps. First, starting in 2007, fuel sulfur levels in nonroad diesel fuel will be limited to a maximum of 500 ppm, the same as for current highway diesel fuel. This limit also covers fuels used in locomotive and marine applications (though not to the marine residual fuel used by very large engines on ocean-going vessels).

http://www.epa.gov/nonroad-diesel/2004fr/420f04032.htm
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Old Jul 28, 2007 | 09:35 PM
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So what would have happened if you would have refused to allow them to check the fuel???
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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 12:04 AM
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they would with their night stick, probably start nit picking everything you had on the truck and there is probably a by-law in there that gives them the right to impound the truck if you refuse, kind of like if you refuse a test for DUI they can arrest you.
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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 07:50 AM
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When i go down to the local fuel supplier to purchase offroad diesel for the tractor, they write on the reciept "offroad high-sulfur diesel" on every purchase i have made in the last couple years.
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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 08:10 AM
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Interesting, I wonder what they do with out-of-state plates? All we have up here is auto tags.
Same here. I'm very curious cuz I'm going from Jersey to Georia next month towing a car down and a Bronco back. I'm not worried about them dipping the tank, but my truck isn't registered for whatever the total GVWR is gonna be for the truck, trailer and vehicle on the trailer.
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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 08:16 AM
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Well the way it sounds, I can by red diesel and pay taxes on it at the end of the year keep my receipts and if I ever got dipped show the receipts to them and say look I paid my taxes for the diesel. They would have no case against me because I didn't break the law in anyway. all the while i'm running higher sulfur diesel which I know my truck likes better.
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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 08:30 AM
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"In the case of locomotive and marine diesel fuel, this second step will occur in 2012."

Transition to the new fuel will cost billions in the ship & rail transportation industry, making everyone pay for increased costs.
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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by RAMRODD
So what would have happened if you would have refused to allow them to check the fuel???
The piece of paper is a long slender book marker style of heavy bonded paper and reads:

Virginia Fuels Tax Act
Fuel Inspection Notice

The Code of Virginia, Chapter 22, S 58.1, Virginia Fuels Tax Act, allows authorized Va DMV officials to physically inspect, examine, or search any of the following:

Any tank, reservoir, or containers that can be or may be used for the production, storage, transportation or use of fuel, fuel dyes or markers;

Equipment used for dyeing or marking of fuel;

Books and records kept to determine fuel tax liability under Chapter 22, S 58.1-2276.

Authorized Virginia DMV officials may detain any vehicle or any other mode of fuel transportation to inspect its fuel or storage tanks, and may extract and keep reasonably sized samples of fuel to clarify the fuel composition.


Penalties

Any person refusing to allow an inspection shall be subject to a civil penalty of $5000 for each refusal. This penalty is in addition to any other penalty or tax imposed.


Civil Penalty

The greater of $1000 or $10 per gallon of the maximum fuel tank capacity.


Criminal Penalty

Over 20 gallons: Class 6 Felony
20 gallons or less: Class 1 Misdemeanor


Stop Fuels tax Evasion

Hot Line: 1-800-823-8357
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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 10:33 AM
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Forgot to mention:

Luckily they didn't look at or question my exhaust system (which is all factory 4 in except for a MBRP muffler and a cat delete "test" pipe) but it's not too loud either.

One guy did ask what kind of fuel mileage I got and was supprised when I told him (20-21mpg empty under 60mph, 19-20mpg empty at 65mph and 14-15mpg pulling 7-8,000 lbs at 65mph)
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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 10:54 AM
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Foer those who are curious (like Me):
Virginia Class 6 Felony = (Prison)1 TO 5 YRS / (Jail) Max 1 Yr / (Fine) $2,500
http://virginiacriminallawyers.vatra...sdemeanor.html

1. Virginia Code §§18.2-9 through 18.2-11 outline the classification for both felony and misdemeanor offenses. There are four classes of misdemeanor offenses in Virginia. Class three and four misdemeanors are punishable with fines only while class one and two misdemeanors carry a potential one year or six month jail sentence respectively. There are six felony classes with the most severe punishment being class one. The chart below outlines the potential range of punishment for various classes of offenses. The chart differentiates between prison time and jail time. Prison time differs from jail time in that prison time is handled through the Virginia Department of Corrections at a designated prison facility while jail time is typically served at a county facility and managed by the local sheriff's department.
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Old Jul 29, 2007 | 09:08 PM
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I hate driving through VA..... I got pulled over for doing 5mph over at 3am. That's BS.
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