Dodge and Cummins>>>>>>>Mercedes
Originally Posted by Rammer64
We had a Tech Rep from Detroit Diesel come in today at work who was teaching us some new techniques for the MBE900 series Mercedes in our fleet. As we were talking, He said that the new emission standards put in place for 2007 will put the MBE900 series in the RAM pickup instead of the Cummins. It will be the OM902LA rated at 330hp and 1000 ft/lbs of torque.
The OM902LA is a stroked EGR'd version of the OM906LA.
The Cummins will no longer be an option appearently, and the Mercedes transmission will eventually be the start of a complete driveline change.
The OM902LA is a stroked EGR'd version of the OM906LA.
The Cummins will no longer be an option appearently, and the Mercedes transmission will eventually be the start of a complete driveline change.
Originally Posted by Rammer64
We had a Tech Rep from Detroit Diesel come in today at work who was teaching us some new techniques for the MBE900 series Mercedes in our fleet. As we were talking, He said that the new emission standards put in place for 2007 will put the MBE900 series in the RAM pickup instead of the Cummins. It will be the OM902LA rated at 330hp and 1000 ft/lbs of torque.
The OM902LA is a stroked EGR'd version of the OM906LA.
The Cummins will no longer be an option appearently, and the Mercedes transmission will eventually be the start of a complete driveline change.
The OM902LA is a stroked EGR'd version of the OM906LA.
The Cummins will no longer be an option appearently, and the Mercedes transmission will eventually be the start of a complete driveline change.
If something like this does happen, I am sure it will be a "torque on demand" engine, so you don't have to worry about too much power
... I bought my truck to keep for many years and miles, so it really isn't a big deal for me... Let them do what ever they want now, I got my slice of the pie
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... I bought my truck to keep for many years and miles, so it really isn't a big deal for me... Let them do what ever they want now, I got my slice of the pie
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I wonder how much the price would differ? Cummins in a Ford? Mercedes in a Dodge. I would be a Ford fan again.. But I have seen Mercedes diesel powered cars with some incredible miles. Fords cost a lot compared to Dodge. Which might drive people back to Dodge. Idunno
Dodge and Cummins and Mercedes
Originally Posted by Begle1
Well, now I shall tempt all of you inline fans, but I hope that when the Cummins is replaced it is by a V-8.
I understand that it would really stink for all of you guys that actually work their trucks, but come on, I need a good V-8 Diesel engine...
I mean, the Cummins I-6 can out top-end a Navistar V-8. Imagine what a Cummins-par V-8 would be capable of.
I understand that it would really stink for all of you guys that actually work their trucks, but come on, I need a good V-8 Diesel engine...
I mean, the Cummins I-6 can out top-end a Navistar V-8. Imagine what a Cummins-par V-8 would be capable of.

Obviously, there are many V engine configuration adherants who do not have a complete understanding about what makes an inline engine superior in some respects, while a V engine is better in other areas of performance. An inline engine can be made to run at high rpms similar to a V engine, but the inline engine, in that case, would have to lose some of its durability at low rpms. Engine components would have to be made lighter. The V engine during manufacturing can be strengthened to be able to withstand a somewhat high torque at low rpm, but it would then lose some ability to sustain high rpms without possible damage resulting in the engine. The V engine components would have to be made stronger and heavier to withstand a higher early torque. The unchangeable fact remains in that the inline engine can always be made the strongest if maximum low end torque is the only priority to consider. On the other hand, the V engine can never be made to rev higher than a inline engine if that is the only criteria when maximum strength to sustain torque at low rpms is theoretically or hypothetically not an issue.
If eveything is of equal strength the following is the deciding factor or the bottom line. I have said before that seven crankshaft main bearings for six connecting rods will be stronger than five crankshaft main bearings for eight connecting rods when all materials are of equal strength. There is also more tension on the V engine crankshaft rod journals with two connectiong rods on each crank throw as compared to an inline crankshaft rod journal with only one connecting rod if both types of engine produce an equal force on each power stroke.
In other word, if Cummins is replaced by a Mercedes V8 diesel, it will have the same physical limitations that the present deficient V8 diesel engines have with few exceptions. The inline engine has a lower rpm red line than a V engine if the inline engine needs a strong bottom end. The inline engine cannot have its cake and eat it too, just like the V engine cannot have as high a rpm red line if maximum bottom end strength is needed.
If V configuration would have been superior for utilizing maximum low end torque, then all transport trucks would be fitted with V configuration engines, but it is the other way around. All work units have inline engines. The 8V92 got tired looking at a grade incline, unless the rpm was kept above 2700 rpm.
The world has been brain washed to think V configuration engines are superior to inline engines because V engines provide more power in less engine length. I think it is rediculous to put a V6 gas engine in a full size pickup with a foot and a half space between the front of the engine and radiator. An inline six cylinder gas engine would have produced more power and utilized the wasted space.
Only one item of the inline engine setup features did you omit: The I-6 is a Naturally Balanced engine on a four-stroke-cycle design. This makes them the most inheriently smooth and vibration-free design avalible, therefore extending not only engine but also vechile and component life.
The question that needs to be asked: How many over the road enginee do you find today running anything OTHER than a I-6? Cat and Cummins tried, with only marginal sucess, the V-8 setup for OTR rigs in the 70's and early 80's. John Deere built a short-lived four-valve per cylinder V-8 for it's top end 4-wd tractors in the early eighties. It took them quite a while to recover from that *costly* mistake.
Regarding your comment on V-6's in 1/2 ton trucks today and all the "wasted space" under the hood. There is another issue that is rising rapidly on the radar screens of car designers today. Crash safety. This is a primary reason you see engines being pushed back under the windshields (making them a real pain to work on). This trend is only going to increase with the upcoming European Pedestrian Safety regulations going into effect. Read more about it...
http://www.safetyissues.com/magazine...edestrians.htm
I'm a safety-driven person. However I think these regulations border upon being extreme to say it lightly. This IS one big reason that fully-electric vechiles are a thing of the past - you cannot hear them coming at you.
The question that needs to be asked: How many over the road enginee do you find today running anything OTHER than a I-6? Cat and Cummins tried, with only marginal sucess, the V-8 setup for OTR rigs in the 70's and early 80's. John Deere built a short-lived four-valve per cylinder V-8 for it's top end 4-wd tractors in the early eighties. It took them quite a while to recover from that *costly* mistake.
Regarding your comment on V-6's in 1/2 ton trucks today and all the "wasted space" under the hood. There is another issue that is rising rapidly on the radar screens of car designers today. Crash safety. This is a primary reason you see engines being pushed back under the windshields (making them a real pain to work on). This trend is only going to increase with the upcoming European Pedestrian Safety regulations going into effect. Read more about it...
http://www.safetyissues.com/magazine...edestrians.htm
I'm a safety-driven person. However I think these regulations border upon being extreme to say it lightly. This IS one big reason that fully-electric vechiles are a thing of the past - you cannot hear them coming at you.


