I think this is great you guys are working on this.

I just remember that the amount of energy you put in is the amount of energy you can get back out. Otherwise it would be perpetual motion.
So whatever the electrical energy you pump into this thing will be the same amount of energy that can be extracted from the gases or slightly less. Solar extraction and wind extraction of these gases then containing them and pumping them into these our engines could be lucrative. The amount of gas needed my require high pressure to be able to carry enough fuel. I do agree that the most likely thing all of you are experiencing is a better combustion of the fuel we already use. Maybe like the old water injection systems that were used. Is anyone still using those? I say keep up the work, this forum is great for sharing information and Ideas.
I fear that you might just get a knock at your door if you were too successful. Scary thought but most likely reality.

just my .02 worth

 

Your right on the energy in = energy out but if you improve the compustion of the fuel that's already there then what? Figured the knock would come some day but hopefully by useing a open forum like this enough people will know how to use the information that it won't/couldn't be stoped. If my only objective was to get rich or patten things they could stop or controll the evidence. Like Stan Myers.

 

Changed things today. Back to less is better. Set my unit up on the 30amp dimmer switch. Just ajusting it up and down to see what seems to work the best. Some improvement in power on the low end, now what to do as the rpms increase.

 

Sounds to me like the reason less is better is the mixture gets too rich. The computer gets confused by the added gas in the mix and doesn't know how to compensate. Any additional free fuel should improve the MPG.

That said, I'm surprised by the mileage claims. Seems without doing some great Stanley Myer type hydrogen splitting. Any gain would be eaten up by increased drag on the alternator. General H creation takes more power in the form of electricity than it produces. If you've come up with a way to get H out of the water so efficiently that is take less electrical power to produce than the potential power of the H gas then you've come up with something. I'd like to see pictures and detailed descriptions of the fuel cell.

Please share. This is cool stuff.

 

Now that makes sense to me, and I hadn't considered the additional alternator drag.

To be honest, I'm a mpg freak. I want it as high as it can be. But from the mpg gains I've read about on here, IMHO I would characterize it as "noise." In scientific terms. It's not discernable enough to determine if it was just a tank of fuel that was driven more conservative than others, or the weather conditions were more preferable on average during this tank than other tanks, or both, or other. It's just not distinguishable.

But I'm still listening, paying attention, learning. I'm also no expert on the subject. But I do have a high level of expertise at giving my opinion!

 

If I understand it Tree's theory is he has come up with a mix H + O + Diesel burns much more efficiently in the engine and more than compensates for the electrical power he is consuming. He might be on to something.

Where did you find the Dimmer/rheostat ?

 

JyRo
You may be absolutly right... Then again...
I'm still playing with the dimmer switch. Can't seem to get any consistant conclusions.
jls
I must have deleted my link to the switch. I know it was made for boats.
I'll have to find the box it came in.
As to the cell you can design one yourself. Or look in my photo gallery and see some poor pictures of a example. If you read all of the tread there are many types I've tryed... My container I use now is nice since I can see if it's actually produceing H/O. Some people think and do seperate the H from the O so only the H goes into the engine. I might try that next but I really don't see the point unless the O is messing with the computer stuff. Which it might be. I know for a fact when I put a cell on my 01 GMC Yukon that it made it idle terible and stumble on take off. Took it off and it runs fine. Like I said maybe the O is messing with the computer sensors? But who knows the H maybe the problem or a problem too. Maybe that's why it seems to work better on some engines than others, it depends on how the computer sensors are set up.

 

Bump..
Someone said something about hydrogen.

 

I really don't think these 5.9L CTD's have any kind of sensors that could be interfered with by introducing Hydrogen or Oxygen. I don't have enough knowledge of the new 6.7L to say either way......
The only sensors our 5.9L have is IAT (Inlet Air Temp), Boost pressure and Fuel Pressure (Injection Pressures). The only far reach would be to say that you are cooling the IAT with the moist mixture you are introducing (You are still putting it in; in front of the IAT, aren't you?). Other than that, I see no reason a sensor would care what is going into our engines.
Any other reports on this? I really want to try experimenting with this. Right now something must be wrong with my truck as it only gets a best of 14 or 15 MPG empty. I don't feel it would be a good canidate to experiment around with until it can get the mileage I know it is capable of......... I just hope I can figure out what is causing it......
Dan

 

Says a lot....Mailbox Full..Duh, maybe a hugh amount of interest......

 

How much is "hugh"?

 

Don't know...I've been looking at this link myself...WWW.water4gas.com

 

The bakeing soda mix doesn't freeze it just crystalizes. As soon as you put the current to it it starts warming up.

 

Been lurking here for a while. I am interested in hydrogen for fuel enhanchment for my 92 dodge cummins.
I heard that you will have better results splitting the water by using only 1 or 2 volts. This will keep the heat down. Also using KOH will take care of the freezing problems.

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Hydroxy/message/8609
is something you might check out. Lots of good info there!


Good luck, Tom
91.5 D350 Stock.

 

I am not interested in joining the yahoo thing because it requires joining before looking around to see if I am interested , unlike hear & almost anywhere , we can at least look around to see if we want to move in , thanks anyways .