ABDTR #5 Alberta Chapter #5 Discussion

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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 12:10 AM
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I have tried many fuel conditioner out there. Only one that really helped in fuel mileage. But I still always use something even to this day. My truck has over 295,000 km's on it and the engine is still running flawlessly. Never a injector or fuel related problem other than the stock engine mounted lift pump.

My list includes

Amsoil Diesel fuel conditioner. Bought a 20L pail!
Amsoil cetane boost.
Milligan Bio-tec.
Redline diesel fuel catalyst.
Howes diesel fuel conditioner.
Howes meaner cleaner.
Power service white and grey.
Marvel Mystery Oil.
Lube Tec from UFA.
Canadian Tire 3 in 1.
2 stroke oil.
A few more that I am sure I have forgotten.

If I had to pick my top 3 they would be in this order.

1) Milligan Bio-tec....... The only one that I could see a mpg increase. (I have been tracking my km's for over 3 years with notes.) And it smells nice! Will be getting more when weather comes above -10!
2) Amsoil diesel fuel conditioner. No particular reason, just seemed like I was doing a good thing.
3) Howes meaner cleaner. Truck seemed to run smoother and quieter after putting in.

Currently in bottles covered in snow in the back of my truck are Power service grey, amsoil diesel fuel conditioner, and I have a bottle of redline diesel fuel catalyst. And once a month I put in a huge splash of MMO. Needs a little solvent every now end then!
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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 12:12 AM
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On a side note...... anyone know where I can get my grubby little hooves on some amalgamated diesel fuel conditioner in Canada?
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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 12:49 AM
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As far as lubricity is concerned, Biodiesel will outperform any additives. (In a paper or study I read on TDR, that is what it concluded), and it only took one gallon in a tank to do it. As others probably know, it cleans so well that unless your truck is new, you may want to carry a spare fuel filter as it may clog it up until everything is cleaned out. I looked back at where you live, and realize you could not run a tank of B-20, (even if you could find it), but probably put a couple gallons in it. I guess it would only make sense in your case to run it in summer, as you would have to add some anti-gel also in winter. One member said water can be a problem with it but I have not experienced it and I run full tanks of B-20 routinely in my truck and my VW diesel. I like the idea of top performing lubricity without having to spend extra money. Of course I will occasionally have to add anti gel if it is going to be in low teens. Probably wasting my money? Do you cold weather experts think I even need it for a couple of days in 20's and nights in teens? Good Luck whatever you choose.
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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 07:06 AM
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DieselDave would be the resident expert on Bio.
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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 09:28 AM
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Thanks Luke
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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 10:49 AM
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I have used both PowerUP/Maryn Gen49D and the LubeTech fuel additives. I can honestly say I can tell when I do not add it to the tank with just subtle changes in idle noise and starting manners. Also WOT smoke is a little more controlled with the additive.

Maryn/PowerUP is also made in Calgary and has been since the late 70's. I was at their labs a few years back for some studies on lube additives and the marketing of Slick50 and DuraLube. The stuff from PowerUP is not of that ilk and now knowing what its made of/for, I run the Gen49D all the time. Also its mix ratio is higher so for the same price, 1 bottle lasts about 1.5x longer than the LubeTech stuff.

I ran it in my 89 fuel for 400,000 Km on the original injectors and pump.. Maybe it helped??
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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 10:56 AM
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hey guys,

so i've been reading this and think i am going to try the milligans bio-tech additive. i have recently been using a blend of howes and two stroke oil - but i think i have actually lost mileage, but this is tough to say because i only started using it this winter - and usually mileage drops in the winter anyway.

so, i went to milligan's site and found my way to the dealers page. i searched 'calgary' and got 5 results. i called each one for pricing and i also called cochrane napa to make 6 dealers:

Husky: $17.83/L (gives a discount for case of 12 purchases)

Dagger: $15.00/L (lady was not sure, she just ball-parked over the phone)

DPS: $17.00/L , $75.00/5L

Nortrux: $16.54/L

RoadKing: $17.63/L , $82.41/5L

Cochrane NAPA: $85.76/5L

All prices are tax in. Sounds like the available sizes are 1L , 5L , and cases of 12 - 1L bottles. Husky also carries a few 250mL bottles.

Man, I have too much time on my hands!!! (or i need to get my priorities straight!)
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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 10:58 AM
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There have been a number of issues raised here , to the original poster , as far as millage , there is nothing in a bottle that is going to do much , by that I mean , things that affect millage [ conditions , such as wind , road ect. ] , a head wind / tail wind will affect at least if not more than anything in a bottle , those can add up to 1-3 mpg .
Then your in an area there is going be winter fuel [ that varies from area to area , either #2 with additives , mix of #1 +#2 or straight #1 ] , #2 with additives is going to give better millage [ higher BTUs ] .
Plugging engine in at night [ 45*F & colder ] , a warm engine gets better millage .
Then modding / tuning engine , then drive train [ ft. axial , tire/wheel size ] .
Then what happens , is all the above cost money , so keeping good records of what your doing with all of that , use the numbers to tell you what works , break even or does not work .
I would say that spending much is only going to give haulers a pay back , high millage drive not as much , daily drivers get the least opportunity to recover money spent [ so spend the least ] .
A friend of mine has a 97 with moderate mods , propane injection and we took a trip to a dyno day , over 300 miles one way , I topped off the tank when we left & came back [ to get a good top off for measurement , you need to shake truck for air pockets , dribble the last few gallons , to not foam the fuel ] , this was winter driving , average speed was 70-75 mph , confirmed odometer by hwy markers , then use calculator [ not over head ] , we averaged 27 3/4 mpg , have done on other trips also , so not a fluke .
He also does fuel stacking , about 25% bio , #2 & a group of additives .
But all of that cost time & money so the truth would be maybe a couple of mpgs of cost .
I know of a bunch of other bio-diesel users that are using high % to 100% with additives in winter , in fact some organization just made a trip to Alaska on 100% bio , but the have a propriety method of processing , that makes the bio resistant to about -60*F .
I have tested myself another companies ethanol [ instead of methanol ] process and is claimed to go to about -65*F at a 50/50 mix with #2 .
So back to my 1st comment , do not spend too much time or money for additives , because the payback for millage only is nil , but then you can theoretically recover some cost for maintainance costs [ longer lasting injection ] .
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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 01:34 PM
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I thought that fuel conditioner add cetane count to the fuel? Which improves maximum power. This works good for winter fuel, as there is less cetane in winter fuel vs summer. I think....
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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 02:55 PM
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I am after improved lubricity, pour point control (specifically with the new USLD parrafin drop out) and moisture in the system from the repeated heating/cooling of the fuel tank near the dew point of the ambient air. Driving at -30 its good to know your fuel is not going to be the issue. If I can add some life to the injection system in the process why not?

I tried the Milligan and didn't notice any significant gains in MPG...Also my MPG on straight DieselDave2 Bio fuel was not significantly changed. Must be my driving style.
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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 05:07 PM
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so i went to dagger today to get a litre bottle of miligan - and like she said over the phone - it was only $15 tax in.

it's in the tank now, we'll see how it goes.
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Old Mar 17, 2009 | 05:09 PM
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oh yeah - regarding a post of mine in another thread about esso having lsd not ulsd - the writing on the sticker says 'low sulfur diesel', but the PPM is 0.0015%, so I guess it is ULSD, just a confusing sticker at first glance!
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Old Mar 18, 2009 | 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by ccmckee
I've been using Lubetech products for a few years now, Super diesel plus additive,lubes,raises cetane,removes water, stops gelling and it's made here in calgary.http://www.lubecorp.com/products/super_diesel_plus.html
Lubetech here too for 10 years. Don't know if it helps anything but peace of mind.
Andy
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Old Mar 18, 2009 | 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackSilver
so i went to dagger today to get a litre bottle of miligan - and like she said over the phone - it was only $15 tax in.

it's in the tank now, we'll see how it goes.
Please post and tell us if it made a difference....
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Old Mar 18, 2009 | 10:03 PM
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I may get my head bit off here,but I'm going for it...You could only make so much out of canola oil,and I still think this millagan stuff is just a fad....Unless they are squeezing those canola seeds between their butt cheeks,I having a hard time believing it works.....I having male PMS right now...
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