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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 04:56 PM
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I ran my power puck for 33k miles and cruising RP was 21000. After Don Checked them all is well. Good filtration is the key. Pressure does not kill injectors. Pressure with bad filtration kills injectors
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 04:58 PM
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I do not double stack the timing boxes, I tried it a long time ago and did not work out. I run the juice with attitude for gauges and thats it but thanks for your input. I do not have proof that 20,000 will kill injectors but it certainly isn't good on them. It is a fact that pressure boxes kill injectors and PRESSURE KILLS injectors so constantly running 20k plus at all times on a stock injector will wear out sooner then before it is suppose to. Go ahead preach about Bob and Marco would never do anything to hurt a stock truck or anybodies but they are after big hp and it is a trial and error thing. All ready guys are saying that have excessive timing rattle with the TNT tune thats why they are fixing it. How come people with say edge ez with cause injectors to fail but now that smarty does pressure all is fine. What kind of rail pressure do you see cruisng JRussel?
Ok, so then where's the proof that it "isn't good for them"? Again, speculation.

When people talk about pressure being a problem it's usually max pressures.

Mine cruises at 18k @ 60mph, 19k @ 70mph, and 20k @ 80mph. That's pretty close to (or the same as) stock for me.
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 05:02 PM
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Kman the EZ had no limit on pressure thats what was killing STOCK Injestors, the pressure on a Smarty is regulated pressure and more consistant. You need that pressure to make power consistant. Aftermarket stixx can handle more pressure from these high hp boxes put out, Just chill buddy do some more reading b4 you strike, one of these days you might have a problem an need some help, you keep bashing these guys there not going to lift a hand.
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 05:14 PM
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Ok so you are saying that pressure doesn't kill injectors? Yes poor filtration does kill injectors all but pressure is also another thing. How come so many people tell guys to stay away from pressure boxes because they will cause injector damage over time? Or just maybe my quadzilla rail pressure gauge reads wrong? To much pressure will be bad

Did a little bit more research on here and I think I might be wrong. Looks like quite a few guys have had problems with quadzilla rail pressure gauge.
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 05:18 PM
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Im not saying it doesnt, its just the setup. Pressure isnt bad if its regulated.
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 05:22 PM
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I was never bashing anybody, just saying guys can make mistakes. I know Bob and Marco have done there research on this stuff just think they can also make a mistake like anyone else. All mistakes can be fixed and I was wrong on the 20k pressure and think I may have a problem with my quad gauge. I only see very low numbers while cruising, almost 6,000 off of everybody elses readings.
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 05:29 PM
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Ok, on the HPCR Cummins used Bosch Injectors. Bosch injectors for the HPCR were designed to to run at a High pressure. I bought my 06 origanally to tow and it's life started towing very heavy 22k lbs. My rail always sat at 22,000psi while towing. I've always been a huge fan of very good filtration and from that I believe I have not had injector issues. You Ideally could run these stixx at 26,000 all day long with no problems Hence the RV. As soon as you spray the same injector at the same psi with debris in it BOOM!!!! now your nozzle starts to see damage. The factory preset for Pressure is 26,500
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 05:39 PM
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Kman I really think its your stock pump, with the mods you have, you are going to see low rail pressure on the guage cause there is no flow. FCA it or do a stg 2 but i think thats your problem, HAHA Bluecrome prolly be sellin his stg 2 next week may hit him up
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 05:47 PM
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But it's constantly low, at idle I only see 3400-5000. A few occasions I have seen over 20k easily. Well the truck is currently being worked on and won't have it back for a few days. Few more little goodies thrown on it. Wouldn't he just send his pump back and get the same one modified more or can you with a stage 3? I will be looking into a pump but want to get some money aved up for when I break stuff.
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Kman9090
But it's constantly low, at idle I only see 3400-5000. A few occasions I have seen over 20k easily. Well the truck is currently being worked on and won't have it back for a few days. Few more little goodies thrown on it. Wouldn't he just send his pump back and get the same one modified more or can you with a stage 3? I will be looking into a pump but want to get some money aved up for when I break stuff.
Those idle pressures are way low for an '05. That would even be low for an '03-'04. You should see around 7-8k at idle.

I guess it could be a pump issue, but if the truck runs strong and doesn't pop from draining the rail then I would start with the gauge. Mostly because RP gauges are so famous for wacking out.
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 07:18 PM
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Mine didnt really pop when i would drain the rail it would hit like 0 with the stock pump.
Kman I think the stg 3 needs to be a brand new pump or close to it with little to no miles as possable.
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 07:34 PM
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This thing is so tricky to figure out and get the right tune. It's like seeing how many words you can get out of performance. It is bad to the bone but I still have to do so tuning. It's relly hard until I get the fuel. I have some big questions that I dont understand like if Im in #9 and change the options is it going to be the same tune as #7 with the same options? What about if ur on Catcher with timing and add timing, does it replace the timing already on there or does it add it. And same with the non timing, if I add timing on it does it add up to the same amount of the Catcher with timing? Im very happy with the Smarty and still have to do some reading but need to figure it out.
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 07:45 PM
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Well Bluechrome if you want sell that pump pm me me first.
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 07:46 PM
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well and every truck acts so diff from the other. The dyno is the only way to tune one in and it will take several runs to do this. My truck is smoewhat easy from the 05 and 6s. Seems like there harder to tune for the more options they have.
35''05' hope you get it squared away soon!!!!!!!!!
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 09:15 PM
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Chet Whenever you change SW's The options that you origanally set all stay the same. I don't know about even # SW's as far as Timing Hope this helps.........

Kman Sorry John's getting My current pump. Just go for a stg 3 so you can keep up with the other guys in the 2.6 class. There is a local guy here running flux 5's and a grand pooh bah in the same class here. Thats what I get to try to keep up with
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