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Old Oct 14, 2007 | 11:01 AM
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Where are all these dyno sheets showing these gains of 220+HP????? All that extra HP BDDLs put to the rollers must slow trucks down at the track.
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Old Oct 14, 2007 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by tcr
Where are all these dyno sheets showing these gains of 220+HP????? All that extra HP BDDLs put to the rollers must slow trucks down at the track.
This was the Phoenix dyno day, my truck was 469 HP/1037 torque with Tripple dog, Boost fooler, intake, exhaust, and trans work. Stock dyno was around 250-300. stock
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No fueling system upgrades/turbo/injectors. Fastest run with this setup is 13.4. Thats not too shabby. I'm waiting to see what the new bullydog program does with the added pressure. Without pressure, the CL is still within40-50hp of the new beta smarty info- it'll be nice to see what adding pressure will do.

I had some problems with the smarty not liking the Goerend VB upgrades, but I probably should have kept my smarty so I could compare dynos back to back. Its fun seeing all these advances coming out on both sides of the fence.
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Old Oct 14, 2007 | 01:10 PM
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other than adjust on the fly, smarty is the way to go. from 30hp to 170hp with or without timing. the customer service that Bob and Marco provide are BAR NONE the best, being able to adjust speed limiting, setting for 1/2 power so your son cant pistol whip the truck when he takes his girlfriend out on a date!, not erasing the key cycles, return to stock so the dealer CANT find it,

need i say more.
Yea but for some of us the "on the fly" adjustment is more important than customer service. And since Bud Kuntz has been on here any customer service problems should have been taken care of.

My Triple dog also does speed limiting, and key cycles or warranty issues are not important to alot of people. Especially people with trucks modified enough to actually use the higher power levels. The dealer could void my warranty WAY before he ever made it to the ECM to check programming so if the major claim to fame is "undetectable by dealer" that means nothing to me.
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Old Oct 14, 2007 | 02:13 PM
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well i know luken put down 659HP with the real scarry larry a tst and mp8 stack with stock injectors and cp3. he has an 05 auto and i dont think smarty can compare to bully dog on that year. any other year i am not for sure but i know i am sticking with my triple dog and as soon as i get some tranny work done i am gonna download scarry larry and then i'll post some #'s
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Old Oct 14, 2007 | 05:50 PM
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Guys we had a good weekend I would like to begin by thanking Bob Wagner for the Beta 4.4 Sl he sent us that made our weekend what it was. As xtremeflow stated we went 13.7 with Bullydog 2.3.pl better tune the 2.4.1 buddy is trying to work kinks out tune has no low end and is inconsistent on spooling turbo most of the e/t lost is in the first 60'. With diablo rkl non stacker truck picked up to a 13.33 with tst on 3/3 no pres. added not bad but then we loaded smarty 4.4 and truck was able to go 13.04 with stock trans., turbo, injectors, cp3 all stock, s&b intake and 5" exhaust with glacier pressure around 25psi. Now with my truck I went 13.466 @ 102.7 yesterday with diablo predator rkl non stacker with quadzilla x2 beta stacker pressure only and saw 25k-26.5k psi out of my truck. Didnt have any time to dyno or run anymore that day but got to try beta 4.4 sl on my truck with x2 same setup and went 13.309@103.2 not bad at all i thought.
I would also like to thank justin at quadzilla for his help with the great x2 product they have he's been a big help.
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Old Oct 14, 2007 | 07:18 PM
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03 Dyno graph

Here is my 03 cummins cr power drag truck dyno sheet. This is all diesel except for water injection (no meth). Smarty Beta 4.4 with a BD X-power duration stack. F1 sticks and camshaft. Custom twins from BD-power also.

Malcolm
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Old Oct 14, 2007 | 07:29 PM
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Interesting...... I am running v2.3.2 right now. I have not yet tried this 'new' program that is supposedly so great. I have PM'ed Bud about 8 times with NO reply as to what the differences actually are. Beginning to pi$$ me off by now. I have only spent thousands on Bully Dog stuff. Oh well......

I think I'll stick to what seems to work for now, unless someone has something else to say about this new program. Like, what IS the difference??

If this program is supposed to be like the original SL, why are there so many issues? Something is not right. Is it just me, or did they create the ultimate program originally only to NOT be able to re-produce it. Huh??

I don't want to hear about 6.7 stuff, or anything else. I just want to know what the difference is between 2.3.2 and the current version is. Is this too difficult??

Thanks gentlemen for sharing your results.
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Old Oct 14, 2007 | 07:34 PM
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The 2.3.pl we tested with is the modified pdi truck tune it is the same timing/duration as the 2.4.1 but with added pressure minimal and changed fueling curve. The Beta 4.4 messes with pressure but doesnt add anymore then stock simply brings it in stock levels faster. Buddy is extremely busy as they have him working on everything dodge related hes the only dodge engineer can only imagine his work load. Im sure he will get to something soon but for now the Beta 4.4 sl is whats working. Thanks bob.
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Old Oct 14, 2007 | 07:42 PM
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Pitz,
I'm on the fence between the Edge A2 and the Bully PMT. I too like the fancy gizmos, and like the HP and guages in one package. Does the PMT have a turbo timer? (can't find a clear answer in the ads) Would you buy it again. or something else???? All comments appreciated!!

Mike
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Old Oct 14, 2007 | 07:52 PM
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Sounds like the newer programs are crap. If anyone wants v2.3.2, I have it and will send along.

Sounds like they need a couple more engineers. I could be wrong. lol
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Old Oct 14, 2007 | 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by CButler610
Interesting...... I am running v2.3.2 right now. I have not yet tried this 'new' program that is supposedly so great. I have PM'ed Bud about 8 times with NO reply as to what the differences actually are. Beginning to pi$$ me off by now. I have only spent thousands on Bully Dog stuff. Oh well......

I think I'll stick to what seems to work for now, unless someone has something else to say about this new program. Like, what IS the difference??

If this program is supposed to be like the original SL, why are there so many issues? Something is not right. Is it just me, or did they create the ultimate program originally only to NOT be able to re-produce it. Huh??

I don't want to hear about 6.7 stuff, or anything else. I just want to know what the difference is between 2.3.2 and the current version is. Is this too difficult??

Thanks gentlemen for sharing your results.
the issue he is having is throwing a high rail code with the adjustable rail pressure he was working on. remember guys if you go to 2.4.1 you can not go back to any old version that you may have stored on your computer
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Old Oct 14, 2007 | 09:26 PM
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Yes you can go back Rpainter you just have to be smarter then the software. Several people have figured out how including myself.
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Old Oct 14, 2007 | 09:33 PM
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i think i will try to go to the track this weekend and get some numbers so we'll see what 2.4.1 will do with a pressure box. Other than my intake amd exhaust i am stock.
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Old Oct 14, 2007 | 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 24VChevy
Here is my 03 cummins cr power drag truck dyno sheet. This is all diesel except for water injection (no meth). Smarty Beta 4.4 with a BD X-power duration stack. F1 sticks and camshaft. Custom twins from BD-power also.

Malcolm
Are you going to dyno the truck at BD's next weekend?
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Old Oct 14, 2007 | 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by CReed
Yes you can go back Rpainter you just have to be smarter then the software. Several people have figured out how including myself.
tell me how I have a extra triple dog with 2.4.1 fully loaded on it and want to go back to 2.2.7
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