Quote from closed thread" Removing EPA Required Components - Please do not post threads on our forums about removing EPA required Pollution Control devices."

Why not? It is always on someone's mind as a thing to do and it is a great opportunity for others (or moderators) to chime in on the legality of such a thing and to recommend against it. How about just a request that DTR members should discourage, or at least not encourage, this type of mod since it is illegal and highly expensive if one is caught - worse even than getting caught running off-road fuel.

 

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DTR does not advocate breaking any laws, I have no desire to end up in court because somebody doesn't have enough sense to realize that they are discussing the commission of a Federal crime in a public forum.

Litigation over such issues happen every day in American court, I am not going to be involved in one of those cases. If you want to openly discuss the act of committing a crime as well as give advice on how to do so, then please do it elsewhere.

Nothing you say in these forums is PRIVATE, you are not invisable, your computer sends out identifying information that we MUST provide to law Enforcement agency's when asked for it.

Common sense should tell you that what you are complaining about is meant to help keep you out of trouble.

As to your request that people don't discuss these things look here; https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...threadid=57982

 

isn't adding a set of injectors or a box or a turbo a similiar crime?

and those are allowable topics correct?

 

I am not advocating any such thing, as should have been apparent in my post. I was advocating just the opposite and about the opportunity for DTR members to educate the uninformed before they got themselves into trouble.

But it's your site so whether I agree with you or not is irrelevant. I'll follow your rules and keep mum if someone mentions wanting to do this particular mod.

 

"isn't adding a set of injectors or a box or a turbo a similiar crime?

and those are allowable topics correct?"

Apple to oranges.

Removing your cat or other EPA nonsense off of your 4.5 and up (should of got a 03/04 ) is a federal offense. Illegal. Enough said. Allowing discussions on here can place Top and our (being we all hang around here) site in jeopardy. The feds would view this as a site that advocates the removal of stuff in question and supporters of such illegal activity. Kind of like an accessory to the crime.

As for installing a box/chip/injectors on your rig you are only breaking the contract between you and DC. Whereas, you agree to purchase the vehicle and operate it under certain conditions (not for racing, ambulance, police, abusing, etc) and they will honor the warranty for X years and X miles. When you fool around with boxes and such you only run the risk of voiding your warranty, not going to jail or sending others to jail by advocating the removal of federally mandated EPA requirements.

That being said, will you go to jail over the removal of EPA crap? Probably not. But you will get fined, lose your warranty, and worse of all, if it can be traced back to DTR, the site could get shut down and TOP will join you in fines and court.

So, for the sake of the site, TOP, and all the others out there that enjoy DTR, let it be. Don't talk about that stuff. Maybe you could go looking for a good 03/04 and you wouldn't have to worry about the cat .

 

Why not talk about it? This is like that kid book/show harry potter, the bad guy who killed his parents was not too be talked about. It is not against the law to talk about this. Badunit had a good idea, there should be room to be able to talk about this topic. This site has rules, moderators and enough people that this can be an open discussion. The people that use this site can follow the no cat killing rule, the mod's can delete anything advocating the killing of a cat and all others that read and post on this site can try to dissuade people from killing cat's.

Now I'm sure there is always those guys out there that will give all the advice needed to be able to do the anti-fed removal fest. This is where those that use this site and those mod's and list owner step in. I think that if this list actively discourages(rather than ban even the talk of) the removal of EPA items and is vocal about it, it would have more of an impact than just banning the topic.

But then again, this is just my opinion.

 

Why not - because the more people talk about it the more it looks to be like an issue. Pretty soon some local congress person will take it on as an issue and then before you know it we are going to be paying some tax or some annual inspection fee.

Sensor one thread, then you are responsible for all of them.

 

Now i do agree that it is a major legal issue, talkin about removal of the cat. I am nutral in the controversy as both sides have equal points. One being for years this site has been one of the main sources of info on hp upgrades that were knowingly causing bad (illegal) emmissions. I belive is you made it apparent in the disclaimer and a pinned to top post that the site does not condone yada yda yada,, all would be well

On the other side of things, Takin the cat off wont really up the performance of your 04.5 ram. I do believe that Cats on diesels are retarded, but for the most part wont hinder the performance at all. Which has been discussed and proven on this site alone already

I myself havent taken time to go under and lookk at it,, If its like my old 97 gasser, its gone once sensor before the cat,, Which ive never really figured out why they didnt put one behind it.
Just test things for yourself, take her off and see if the runs better/worse. See if ya get any codes, IF not live and enjoy. But dont drag my favorite escape from the family away from me!

 

Top makes the rules, he gets the final say. Since this is a non subscription site, you are not forced to be here and are not loosing any money if you leave this forum . In my opinion, if you cannot live with the established rules, bid your goodbyes and go somewhere else. I would hate to loose members dues to rules and legalities, but such is life. This site is a wonderful tool for info and troubleshooting, and just plain fun. I dont want to see it shut down. Just my $.02

 

It's pretty pathetic that in the state of our economy and government that we have to worry about what we say about a **** exhaust part.
BUT that's life and there is only one way to end that.

 

And then I get censored for using the "d" word. What exactly IS this world coming to?
Golly Gee Whiz

 

since you guys know about the law, here is a legal question... my 05 ctd is used on the ranch and we have pastures that will soon be head high in coastal. i know first hand that the catalytic conv will and does cause grass fires that where i live will become house and everything else fires, my husband was a firefighter. back some time ago we were discussin and cussin these very things and a mechanic friend said in his county you could get a waiver and have the epa junk removed legally. on the old gas rig it came without one so won't replace it. and to whether they are constricting or not my vote is yes.

 

i know first hand that the catalytic conv will and does cause grass fires that where i live will become house and everything else fires, my husband was a firefighter.

Can you elaborate a little on that? I'm not saying your lying, I just don't understand how that could happen. Is it sparks from a plugged converter that is suddenly heated enough to burn the excess off? I suppose this would also have to be a short wheel base to have the least distance from the cat to the tailpipe tip.

FWIW, I can't show you the data, but it is restrictive.

 

The cat does get very hot, especially on a gasser. A buddy of mine had about 50 acres of pastureland burnt because a hired hand's Ford pickup ignited the grass. Cause, the cat converter. The truck was burnt also.

MikeyB