One tire breaks loose on hard acceleration
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Since when? My truck spins 1 front 1 rear ALL the time, that's the problem. Along with tons of other trucks i've seen stuck.
When my truck got stuck, it was in 30" of snow, dragging a 2 place snowmobile trailer. A 4x2 wouldn't of even made it in on the road, however if I had front and rear lockers, would of made it easy. This mind you was with 35" Nitto Mud grapplers on, they are a very good snow tire. I also got stuck on a bit of a incline with the rear tires in only 18" of snow, the fronts were on a gravel road and couldn't pull the rear out! What is that?
These trucks would go a LONG ways if all 4 tires spun and made real 4wd like the 1st gens with locking hubs did. Those things stock would probably go anywhere my truck would with 37" and a 6" lift would, maybe more.
When my truck got stuck, it was in 30" of snow, dragging a 2 place snowmobile trailer. A 4x2 wouldn't of even made it in on the road, however if I had front and rear lockers, would of made it easy. This mind you was with 35" Nitto Mud grapplers on, they are a very good snow tire. I also got stuck on a bit of a incline with the rear tires in only 18" of snow, the fronts were on a gravel road and couldn't pull the rear out! What is that?
These trucks would go a LONG ways if all 4 tires spun and made real 4wd like the 1st gens with locking hubs did. Those things stock would probably go anywhere my truck would with 37" and a 6" lift would, maybe more.
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I also have the factory LSD and have found it to do very well. I run dino rather than the synthetics in the rear and wonder if that makes a difference. When starting out makining a turn on gravel covered pavement I can hear and see it trying to ruff up the gravel. I also have had it in a fair amount of mud and snow with very good results. It definately puts power to both wheels in most conditions.
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I have tried everything. And I don't need a manual to tell me how to drive. I need a locker, so ALL the tires spin, because they don't and nothing changes that. Anyone who says all 4 turn on their stock 3rd gen are misinformed and just "believe" all 4 are spinning because they don't. 4HI or 4L don't matter.
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I have tried everything. And I don't need a manual to tell me how to drive. I need a locker, so ALL the tires spin, because they don't and nothing changes that. Anyone who says all 4 turn on their stock 3rd gen are misinformed and just "believe" all 4 are spinning because they don't. 4HI or 4L don't matter.
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Heard it all before. I guess my truck, my dads, my bros, and two buddies are all broken right? Not a chance, ALL have factory limited slip working just fine. One tire in the rear spins, one in the front that is working as intended.
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The factory LSD is a gear type, just like Torsion and Detroit TruTrak. When it's working, it works well, It's also very durable in high torque applications. Remember that it's a Limited Slip, not No slip.
But, it has to be installed and adjusted correctly to get the proper torque balance. Just from reading the above posts, you find some trucks that work well, and some that don't. I know mine works very well in snow and ice. That tells you the equipment has the potential to work well. If yours doesn't, there's a problem.
The electric and air operated lockers are nice, but they're darned expensive and hard to come by. And they do have their limitations. They're either locked or they're not. No in-between. Sometimes that's a liability.
I' believ that you can install a gear type LSD (Detroit or Torsion) on the front axle with minimal adverse effect on dry pavement driving. I'v heard that it produces a slight pull under acceleration that's annoying.
Also, keep in mind that nothing affects traction more than tire selection. Any racer will tell you tire selection is critical. If you can't move at all, take a close look at your tires.
But, it has to be installed and adjusted correctly to get the proper torque balance. Just from reading the above posts, you find some trucks that work well, and some that don't. I know mine works very well in snow and ice. That tells you the equipment has the potential to work well. If yours doesn't, there's a problem.
The electric and air operated lockers are nice, but they're darned expensive and hard to come by. And they do have their limitations. They're either locked or they're not. No in-between. Sometimes that's a liability.
I' believ that you can install a gear type LSD (Detroit or Torsion) on the front axle with minimal adverse effect on dry pavement driving. I'v heard that it produces a slight pull under acceleration that's annoying.
Also, keep in mind that nothing affects traction more than tire selection. Any racer will tell you tire selection is critical. If you can't move at all, take a close look at your tires.
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The factory LSD is a gear type, just like Torsion and Detroit TruTrak. When it's working, it works well, It's also very durable in high torque applications. Remember that it's a Limited Slip, not No slip.
But, it has to be installed and adjusted correctly to get the proper torque balance. Just from reading the above posts, you find some trucks that work well, and some that don't. I know mine works very well in snow and ice. That tells you the equipment has the potential to work well. If yours doesn't, there's a problem.
The electric and air operated lockers are nice, but they're darned expensive and hard to come by. And they do have their limitations. They're either locked or they're not. No in-between. Sometimes that's a liability.
I' believ that you can install a gear type LSD (Detroit or Torsion) on the front axle with minimal adverse effect on dry pavement driving. I'v heard that it produces a slight pull under acceleration that's annoying.
Also, keep in mind that nothing affects traction more than tire selection. Any racer will tell you tire selection is critical. If you can't move at all, take a close look at your tires.
But, it has to be installed and adjusted correctly to get the proper torque balance. Just from reading the above posts, you find some trucks that work well, and some that don't. I know mine works very well in snow and ice. That tells you the equipment has the potential to work well. If yours doesn't, there's a problem.
The electric and air operated lockers are nice, but they're darned expensive and hard to come by. And they do have their limitations. They're either locked or they're not. No in-between. Sometimes that's a liability.
I' believ that you can install a gear type LSD (Detroit or Torsion) on the front axle with minimal adverse effect on dry pavement driving. I'v heard that it produces a slight pull under acceleration that's annoying.
Also, keep in mind that nothing affects traction more than tire selection. Any racer will tell you tire selection is critical. If you can't move at all, take a close look at your tires.
Agreed. Open diffs apply equal torque each tire. The Trac Rite, Torsen, and TrueTrac help bias more torque to the tire with the traction. All of these units are a great for 99% of the driving we do in these big trucks.
For the other 1% of the uses or for the drivers who cant make it work for them, there are other options.
Tires are the single best improvement you can make to a driving experience. Mud tires usually don't work on packed snow and ice. I would take a large all season or all terrain over a mud tire for snow and ice any day.
It seems some people have not a clue about what works, how it works, and why is does or does not work.
Mud Grapplers look cool, but they are not a good snow tire.
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Agreed. Open diffs apply equal torque each tire. The Trac Rite, Torsen, and TrueTrac help bias more torque to the tire with the traction. All of these units are a great for 99% of the driving we do in these big trucks.
For the other 1% of the uses or for the drivers who cant make it work for them, there are other options.
Tires are the single best improvement you can make to a driving experience. Mud tires usually don't work on packed snow and ice. I would take a large all season or all terrain over a mud tire for snow and ice any day.
It seems some people have not a clue about what works, how it works, and why is does or does not work.
Mud Grapplers look cool, but they are not a good snow tire.
For the other 1% of the uses or for the drivers who cant make it work for them, there are other options.
Tires are the single best improvement you can make to a driving experience. Mud tires usually don't work on packed snow and ice. I would take a large all season or all terrain over a mud tire for snow and ice any day.
It seems some people have not a clue about what works, how it works, and why is does or does not work.
Mud Grapplers look cool, but they are not a good snow tire.
The fact of the matter is, unless you've had your truck stuck, and seen what tires are ACTUALLY spinning in that situation, you don't have a clue how many are getting power, I have on two occassions, and seen many others, one front, one rear, dodge, ford, gm, everything.
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ding ding ding... we have a winner...
I was waiting for someone, anyone to chime in with the correct response. Johnh is correct. If one tire is spinning, the way to get the other one going is to tap your brakes.
Guess I'm not the only one who can read the owners manual.
So, Mocco, have you, your brothers, father, cousins, or whoever else tried this?
I was waiting for someone, anyone to chime in with the correct response. Johnh is correct. If one tire is spinning, the way to get the other one going is to tap your brakes.
Guess I'm not the only one who can read the owners manual.
So, Mocco, have you, your brothers, father, cousins, or whoever else tried this?
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Mocho, As good as a M/T tire may be they really are not the best in the snow. Most M/T's are 12.5" wide or so, you don't want all that width floating on top. A tall narrower tire will get down and bite.
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From what I've seen, getting stuck is usually mostly attributed to the driver more than equipment, tires, whatever. I know people that could get a bulldozer stuck without much trouble. I was behind this crazy lady one day last winter that was just flooring it trying to get up a slippery grade out of our parking lot at work. She actually started to slide backwards and almost hit me at one point, right foot still on the floor. 