Finally someone brought this up. I was reading a thread at TDR (not a member couldn't post) and everyone was ranting and raving about the "engineered" system. Seems to me it is no more engineerd from a geometry perspective than plastic spacers. Not only is the axle going to be pushed to the side by the track bar it's also going to be pushed back causing the same caster issues as spacers.

 

Triplenickel, if what you say is true, why is it that there are a ton of reports from forum members that the systems are so unbelievable, and not one post of someone with a problem as you describe? Everyone just raves.

 

You really have to drive a truck with GOOD suspension to know what all the hype is about.Driving in the dirt at high speed and being in control is an amazing thing.2 inches does not alter the geometry enough to be a problem.The pitman arm is not an issue........no bumpsteer..The Kore system was made to add control off road but the on road cornering is much improved over stock.Try it you will buy it.Still saving,but have driven many(customers trucks)

Bob

 

I have to say that everyone that talks about the kore is always talking about doing things at high speeds. Well realistically I drive to and from work, and around town. A lot of the roads are 35mph, and are full of potholes, bumps, and ruts. In any case, I'd like some feedback on how the Kore performs in real life on road driving. We don't all live next door to baja

 

Is the whole system in the pic? New springs and shocks? How much for the system again? I guess I missed something.

 

That's a good question maybe they just haven't been out long enough. Time will tell, I would sure like to ride in one though.

 

The Kore/T Rex systems have been out for awhile now and I have over 45K on my suspension.

I did not get it for baja or off roading. I got it for a better suspension on the highway over expansion joints and the terrible roads here. I drive at all speeds and this product simply beats anything I have tried before. I also tow heavy with it...only drawback I experienced is the nose will point up a bit with a good load on, I put air bags on to level it off when towing...more of a courtesy to oncoming traffic at night.

I put my truck on an alignment rack right after I did the suspension. I am a believer that any alteration to the front end requires it to be checked afterwards. I needed the Toe-in adjusted.

I have no cupping, no scrubbing and the front end is all within spec.
I have very little hop in the rear now too.

Also, this does not add spacers to a factory coil. If you take the time to look at a Kore suspension, it also has a taller top for the shock. Since I am not a suspension guru, I am not sure what it is called but I do know I had to drill out an extra hole to mount it...4 bolts instead of 3 like the factory. And, since folks are critiqueing it and dissecting it...please be aware its not just a levelling kit and it raises the truck 2.5 " not 2" like the spacers.

I do believe this is a comparison of apples to oranges.

Maybe someone else can answer why it does not throw off the front end like some are eluding to. I very much doubt Kent is going to discuss much of what his R&D has done for him in this area.

Scotty

 

Kent spent a great deal of time answering questions like this in a very long thread (or two) at the TDR site. Basically his take is that the axle can only be centered at one point in it's arc (it's an arc since we have a single track bar design) and to make it centered when the truck is sitting at rest is really only cosmetic. When the suspension fully compresses and hits the bumpstops you want everything to be lined up and hitting where it should, so moving the axle so it "looks good" at rest messes up where the bumps stops hit.

I would think longer bump stops would fix this but I am in general disagreement with the apparent majority of people who think you need to leave the suspension system as close to stock as possible to ensure durability. Don't get me started on wheel backspacing ....

 

Scotty--

Kent's point on the KORE relative to stock suspension is that everything stays WITHIN stock parameters-- not AT stock parameters. Big difference.

What this means is that the changes that the KORE makes can be compensated for completely within stock adjustability, and the KORE will not force the front end to move in ways it is not designed.

Like U-joint angle. Some "lifts" require shimming the axles so the U-joints are aligned properly. Not the KORE-- it's within factory allowances.

The KORE doesn't need longer control arms, dropped pitman arms, t-case relocation brackets, spacers, custom dropped track bars, etc etc. It doesn't need this because it stays WITHIN stock parameters.


That said (however, comma)-- the KORE *WILL* require you to get your truck aligned and make sure the REST of the truck is setup around the slightly different suspension setup.

The only real difference is that the KORE system has longer springs. This affects the toe-in ('cuz we have the "Y" steering setup). As the axle moves away from the frame, the wheels are brought together slightly. You need to adjust the toe to compensate for the excessive toe-in or you will wear out the outsides of your tires- like I did

The axle doesn't need to be "recentered" unless you obsess about cosmetics AND never use your truck hard enough to where the suspension will use most of its travel. If you have an adjustable track bar, just set it so the bump stops hit their pads as centered as possible. THIS is a "centered" axle. "Centering" the axle in your driveway is useless because the suspension is moving if the truck is moving-- so it's never "centered" when the truck's in use.

Now, this doesn't apply to most cheapie aftermarket lift, because the travel on them is so limited that it often means that the axle is, in fact, stationary.

That's all I have to say about that....

Justin

 

Good stuff! Scotty when is the next trip to Edmonton?

 

Why do you think the suspension travel is limited with these so called "cheapie lifts"? I beg to differ...I would infact bet that my truck has more suspension travel than the Kore set up in question...since I do not have limiting straps or longer bumpstops...as a Kore does. I am in NO WAY dismissing the capability of the entire Kore line up...only questioning the need for most of us. I drive and 4x4 very hard...very hard. Turned 40k on my set up last week and have had nothing but smiles. The OEM shocks have the worst effect on the suspension. Kent would not even argue this. The OEM spring rate is adequate for most of us. He builds a set up for those who demand exceptional fast off road performance.

If you jump your truck like Greg Bordman...maybe it is for you. Otherwise...

Lightman...maybe we might cross paths someday. You should really ride in my truck. You won't believe...

 

I am looking at competing at Reds June 4. We are also looking at doing a World Strongman cup on Thanksgiving at the Ice Palace.

Scotty

 

I did not put the limiting straps on my truck as I am not jumping.

Theres different kits for different choices from KORE. Mine is probably the most mild one you can get...works perfect for my needs. The stock shocks are a joke after running the Bilsteins.

How come I didn't take your truck off roading in Denver?

 

Scotty...we should not be disagreeing online.

I think we did not go because of time issues if I remeber correctly.

Do you need more pictures?

Again...I was not being critical of the Kore...just stating that some of us don't have that kind of cash. When my shock towers and wheels break...I will let everyone know. Would anyone like a 3D stress analysis model of the towers?

I could tell you what it would take to break the OEM ones...I have a feeling something else goes first. Scotty...check your email. Won my quarter final in the X-Games Skier X today...Finals manana.

 

CQ - not sure what breaks first, but there's a pic of a broken stock shock tower on kore's site..