After further searching, I found this from StevenB05 - still looking for something from Quad:


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Originally posted by saint
What kind of torque gain are you seeing from the new Quad box? There isn't anything on their web site about it.

Thanks,
James
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Saint I bought the race version Quad and have had it on my truck for 4 days now. The manuel said that it was

60HP 120TQ
100HP 200TQ
130HP 230TQ
I don't doubt it a bit neither It is one bad dude.

 

The peak numbers are the same. The main difference is how the "On Demand" allows the power to be applied. The "race" box will let the power come in earlier as the load increases. This is not a huge difference but a little. The 60hp setting is almost un-noticeable. The 100hp setting will have a little more smoke on the bottom on the race box than the standard box.

Again on the dyno the numbers are basically the same.

Hope that helps.

Quad

 

Got my box yesterday from Quad.
I went with normal 'ground' delivery, and it showed up in about five days. Should have it installed by Tuesday. I'm going to go with the cig-lighter location within the cabin.

On another note - I have about 12,000 miles on my truck now, and have seen a really nice steady increase in my MPG. Have done all recommended re-flash, the latest being 18-37-04, about six months ago. I am very happy.

 

Don't do the cig lighter. I put mine a little lower on the same panel where it starts to angle towards the floor. It's a little less noticable but still very reachable. Then I mounted the box a bit further down by my right leg on the console so I can see the LED. I'll try and post pictures soon.

And how can you stand to wait until Tuesday

EDIT: Pictures in gallery pending admin approval

 

Wow, this quad box sounds awesome, I just a few quick questions for everyone out there, will this box void my warranty? seems to me like it would, I know I could take it off if I had a problem but doesn't DC have a way of finding out if there has been a box on the truck? Oh one more thing, If I get one I plan on getting the Quad Race (60-100-130) and driving at 60 most of the time wiht the occasional run wiht the box all the way up, will this significantly lower the life of the engine components, like the injectors, etc..

this is my first diesel, and i'm loving every second of it!

Thanks, sorry for so many questions

 

If you plan on driving in the 60hp mode you had better mount the **** behind the rear seat so you can't reach it while driving I'm going to be down at least 150 miles this tankful since I put the Box on . It's just to much fun! Pray for my trans please.

Jeeperman, you had better get an EGT gauge. I saw it hit 1550 degrees when I ran from 0-70 in the 140 mode last night.

 

Numbers reported for the Xzillaraider from JCleary on TDR ('03 305/555):
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Xzillaraider dyno results!!!

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Well, I couldn't wait 'til the next Dyno day, so I traveled to BRG Racing Dyno Services today in Concord, CA. Very nice people there. They had a dyno day last month that I attended, and I decided to return. They have a Mustang dyno.

My truck ran a baseline today within .5hp and 1.5 tq of the run a month ago. Here are the numbers:

Stock-
247.2hp @ 2750rpm
473.1tq @ 2500rpm

Level 1, (30hp and 90tq advertised)-
275.1 @ 2750
535.3 @ 2500
Gain of 27.9 and 62.2

Level 2, (60hp and 120tq advertised)-
298.6 @ 2750
586.8 @ 2500
Gain of 51.4 and 113.7

Level 3, (100hp and 200tq advertised)-
326.2 @ 2750
685.4 @ 2250
Gain of 79 and 212.3

 

I found out that I was incapable of waiting until Tuesday . . . .
The install took maybe a half hour ( I have yet to permanently mount the switch ).

The road test was a kick. . . . yikes. . . . WAY cool.

ON EDIT - I mounted the switch down low, in the plastic fascia under the drink holder. I'm thinking that it is probably the cheapest plastic in the entire cabin to replace - if necessary. It is still pretty easy to reach.

 

hmmm i had mine installed bya quad dealer it threw a code 2 weeks later when i hooked it up to com it said not reconizes so i cleared it and no problems the code was p0008 it happened when i was flipping the switch back and forth kinda fast

 

dang man ive never hit that high the highest ive ever hit is 1150 1200 and thats on 3 130hp and im hammered down on it also when im in the lower settings i wil hit 38 to 40 on boost but for some reason on the 130 level i never get over 30 to 35

 

pegg31

I assume you have a 600 or 610. With completely stock engine I could hit 1350* and 34psi if I just stood on it for a full 1/4 mile plus. After afe air intake and Banks Monster exhaust EGTs dropped to about 1250*. With a 85hp fuel/boost box it would hit 1450* and 38psi boost on WOT for 1/4 plus. With the Juice/Attitude on 100hp it would hit 1300-1350* and about 38psi boost on WOT for 1/4 plus. With the XZillaraider on 100hp will hit 1475* and 43-44psi boost on WOT for 1/4 plus. I will get my Juice back with the HOT version(180hp max) soon. I will get some dyno numbers and SOTP data with that box and let you know.

 

I was just reading your earlier post on this subject, and it seems that the Quad box gives you higher boost numbers and higher EGTs. Given that both Quad and Edge are on the CAN bus doing timing, lets assume for sake of discussion that they advance timing about the same, within the limits of that interface: In this case you could argue that the Quad should have a net timing advantage over the Edge because it uses pressure and does not extend duration. In any case, it seems extraordinary to me that the Edge would run cooler than the Quad because of timing advance.

I might suggest that the higher EGTs are becuase the Quad is fueling harder. It made an honest 130HP on a mustang, tested against a 100HP Juice box. So far we lack the data to confirm or deny that it is fueling harder but given the two technologies I'd say your data suggests that.

Another thing that could be affecting your EGT measurements is that the stock turbocharger may loose efficiency at those higher boost numbers (upper 30s). Raising boost air temperature alone will increase boost pressure, and the boost gauge cannot tell the difference between "more air molecules" or just "hotter ones". I don't know where the efficiency cut-off of the 600s turbo is (this point on the 555 engines occurs at about 24 PSI), only suggesting that upper 30s is probaby stretching things.

so I'd say that if you add a bit more fuel (than the Edge) and go past the efficiency envelope of the turbocharger, you have a recipe for toasty EGTs.

As for the assumption I made for sake of discussion -- I can't prove anything either way. my tests conducted with the TST box suggests that it may not take much duration to swamp the EGT benefit of timing advance. Even the TST timing advance, perceived to be pretty substantial, resulted in approximately the same exhaust gas temperatures at the 100HP level (level 4/4) as a 100HP pressure box.

but all that is just talk. what we need is to get both boxes on the same dyno and compare some real data.

 

on the CAN bus? no product i have seen to date uses the CAN bus for the 03+ (not sure what redline has for 03+). unplug that connector and run the dyno numbers again. i don't want to get to technical details, but it can't possibly be used on this product. the amount of guessing, hypothesizing, and opinions on this post is amazing. unless someone shows a dyno graph or scope plot, i would not believe what he is saying, including me.

 

The Edge Juice and the Quad Xzillaraider modules use the CAN bus to manipulate timing and on the Quad box duration. If you unplug that connection the box will not work.

 

Joe, I switched from an EZ to the XZ recently and have been very happy so far with the huge increase in power with lower EGTs. That being the case, How could the the XZ only use the same two connectors as the EZ but do timing also? If it is boost and fuel pressure fooling only, like you say, (same as the EZ) wouldn't that make the XZ a pressure only box?