How well Will flux 2's work with a stock cp3? I know jrussel cut like .8 off of his et just by doing stix with a stock cp3. That translates to me as POWER. I do have to keep in mind that I do drive this every day and with a trailer sometimes. Oh and I just pluged my wastegate and I'm seeing around 54-55psi of boost that should help. I thank all you guys for your help and the reason I ask so many ??'s is my wife said she will by me injectors for my birthday

 

Mine work great with the stock CP3. Max rail pressure is around 23k...and that's without an additional pressure box.

 

I never ran them with a stock cp3. I made 616hp with a Floor It stage 2 pump and 636hp with my twin pump setup, with the twin pumps we brought the pressure up a little sooner, max was still at 26,500. I am still waiting to get on a dyno with my new twins.

 

How will the 2s be pulling wise? I'm bout to start looking into injectors too, but I also drive my truck every day and have to pull trailers on a daily basis, sometimes 12000 pounds and up

 

Your Smarty adds pressure though, right? Because I have to add pressure via the mp-8 with my setup AND a stage 1 pump to keep rail pressure up.

 

I made over 650 hp on 1.5s glad I did not go any bigger cause I need to tow 12,000lbs 1x month and tow a 7000 boat about 20x a year my truck pulls way hard with the 1.5s and smokes very little bigger sticks are not as good for daily driving and occasional towing due to the fact they run hotter and with proper fueling smoke too strong for public highways and streets not to mention they have been known to paint your trailor black LOL

 

Yes, but supposedly not over the stock maximums. It just starts out higher and ramps up faster I guess.

 

Right. But my point was that without that added pressure, your stock cp3 would not be maintaining 23k to the rail with those injectors.

 

I would love to see you truck dyno. It would have been nice to see pre-post injector dyno's But I did see your video when you got them installed and it was impressive

 

I understand your point, but I don't agree. If the program doesn't increase RP beyond the factory maximums, then the CP3 should still max out around the same without it.

My original point was that there is still room to add more max pressure from another module and I'm confident the CP3 has a little more left in it.

I gave up on dynos after my truck put down 400hp on one and 570hp on another...all with the same mods. The track is my dyno now.

 

Hijack. Look its achmed the dead terrorist. That dude is way to funny.

 

I was just at Floor It today and we were playing with the latest beta software from Marco being at the shop. The way I understand it is that it is adding pressure, but controlling it to the factory maximum. So it is increasing rail pressure. Without it, I still bet your rail pressure with those injectors and a stock cp3 would not be 23k. It's only 23k, because the Smarty is adding pressure up to that limit.

 

Yes, it is increasing rail pressure. I think that's something we can all agree on. You said it yourself though..."controlling it to the factory maximum". Isn't the factory maximum the same with or without the Smarty?

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems if the stock max RP setpoint is 24.5k (for example), and the Smarty is not increasing that setpoint, then the max RP would be about the same without it. I guess what I'm trying to say is that when you go WOT, with or without the Smarty, the ECM calls for 24.5k max pressure either way. I understand that the higher starting pressures might help to give the rail a "boost" when you go WOT, but that shouldn't have too much of an effect on longer runs (ie. 1/4 mile).

If you're saying the Smarty can dynamically add more increased pressure if/when the setpoints are not reached then I see what you're saying, but I'm not sure it works that way? I was under the impression it adds a certain amount across the board (which may ramp up progressively, but not really change dynamically).

I guess there's one way to tell for sure. Time to do some testing!

 

Let me use my truck as an example and maybe that will make my point a little more clear.

When I am running the mp8, I can adjust it so that my rail pressure is at 23k, 25k, or wherever I want it. If I turn the mp8 off with my other mods, I cannot keep that kind of rail pressure. The timing and duration of the Juice along with the larger injectors use up all the fuel in the rail and the pressure drops. By using electronics to call for extra fuel to be sent to the rail it is able to maintain a higher rail pressure.

So....

On your Smarty, by it calling for a certain rail pressure, it is actually calling for additional fuel above what would normally be supplied so that there is enough to keep the rail pressure up. It never allows the rail pressure to exceed factory specs, but it call for enough extra fuel to attempt to maintain good pressure. So you have to look at it as though the Smarty is calling for fuel ( to specifically increase rail pressure ) rather than pressure.

I'm not sure if that made any more sense or not, but I can tell you that even with my stage 1 cp3, without added pressure from the mp8 it the rail pressure will be low.

 

It makes sense you are saying that the stock CP3 will make said number with all stock components but cant keep up with aftermarket injectors without the smarty.