AD or FASS
I'm really curious about the cold weather aspect also. My LP is on the way out and rather than have DC "fix" it, I may as well do it right. What I don't want to do is put a silicon heater on it to keep it from freezing during a chilly Fairbanks winter.
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If the 150 filter is the same as the 100 filter then it is Fleetguard #FF5613.
No one usually stocks them and you may have to order an entire case of 12 filters. I bought a case from my fleetguard dealer for 80 bucks with my commercial discount.
Tim
No one usually stocks them and you may have to order an entire case of 12 filters. I bought a case from my fleetguard dealer for 80 bucks with my commercial discount.
Tim
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We have a lot of customers in Alaska and to the best of my knowledge, we have not had an issue with the cold. These pumps are designed to live under a truck and they are very durable. As far as heating the fuel goes...The system does heat the fuel just from ambient heat from running the system. it is not the kind of heat you would see with say, a WVO system but it is effective for keeping the fuel nice and well....fluid...lol.

I sure hope you get some more dealers in Alberta Canada as we are a very large diesel performance province.

Thanks man...
Let me first say that i don’t like these threads as they rarely accomplish anything other than bashing and nothing every good comes out of them. Do a search, this will prob be one of the 3 AD vs FASS threads you will see me on. I don’t like to get mixed up in the sales aspect of it as I am a troubleshooter for the Tech dept. BUT this one time I will do my best at giving you factual answers to your question.
Sorry Anthony….got to step some on some toes…but with all due respect
From our side….we don’t do anything that the Air Dog doesn’t do. They say we don’t take air out of the fuel at high pressure/flow conditions. I can say if our pump is returning fuel back to the tank via the units return line, its taking air/vapor out. And not too many conditions where I can see a properly setup pump where it would not be returning fuel back to the tank. All of them would have to be externally induced to cause our pump not to return fuel.
We are not going to bash them as they make a decent pump. BUT the area we feel we differ is quality of construction of our kit. We use billet T6061 alum in our pumps. Nothing is cast. It's overly strong in design. We use mandrel bends where we can and yes that cost us size point when compared to the AD. They can have that one. But honestly where we have our pump suggested to be mounted, they fit just fine with no issue. AND no…we hardly every hear of anyone damaging filters due to them being exposed. When installed properly, the 150 Series filter just barely peak out of the bottom of the bed in short bed applications…you cant see the 95 Series at all in similar applications.
Also our pumps are modular. Meaning that you can rebuild, update, or upgrade your pump without having to purchase a new one. For example, if you wanted to update your 150 GPH pump to say a 200 GPH or larger, all you would need to do is just get a new T-Block assembly. Unbolt the old t-block and bolt on the new one. That’s it. Yes, I know….they come back with more places to leak…but this is where my side of the company comes into play. I have never seen a properly installed o-ring leak except for a very few select issues.
That brings us to the next thing. We share the same building as the company that does all our machining. So if things need to be changed, designed, or tested, they are just down stairs and though a door. No red tape. Updates can be made in mins, not days. Plus they are very well respected as they have done lots of work for Lockheed Martin, the US Government and some of the local auto manufactures. They keep tight standards to make sure they keep getting large contracts.
I’m sure I could touch on some more points…and Brad would be pointing out all the stuff I missed! Haha….but I feel that I have put some substance down that has not been posted before. I figure if anything more needs to be said…ill let Brad take it from there......
Why are the Airdog 150's quieter than the FASS 150's??? The deal breaker between the 2 pumps for me is the noise after a year or 2 of use and the availability of Fleetguard cross-reference filters. On my 01, the FASS was the ticket!!! Great performance and customer care but it was very noticable that it was there even with the noisy 24V running. Seems that the '07 kits by both are the same parts to make it work but who's quieter?? I want to keep my quiet truck quiet.
I just want to put my $700.00 to the right product to keep me happy and trouble free...
Thanks to both parties for all the pros and cons without beating each other up too bad...
I just want to put my $700.00 to the right product to keep me happy and trouble free...Thanks to both parties for all the pros and cons without beating each other up too bad...
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OK...got some time here.....truck is about as done as its going to be i guess.....
Let me first say that i don’t like these threads as they rarely accomplish anything other than bashing and nothing every good comes out of them. Do a search, this will prob be one of the 3 AD vs FASS threads you will see me on. I don’t like to get mixed up in the sales aspect of it as I am a troubleshooter for the Tech dept. BUT this one time I will do my best at giving you factual answers to your question.
Sorry Anthony….got to step some on some toes…but with all due respect
From our side….we don’t do anything that the Air Dog doesn’t do. They say we don’t take air out of the fuel at high pressure/flow conditions. I can say if our pump is returning fuel back to the tank via the units return line, its taking air/vapor out. And not too many conditions where I can see a properly setup pump where it would not be returning fuel back to the tank. All of them would have to be externally induced to cause our pump not to return fuel.
We are not going to bash them as they make a decent pump. BUT the area we feel we differ is quality of construction of our kit. We use billet T6061 alum in our pumps. Nothing is cast. It's overly strong in design. We use mandrel bends where we can and yes that cost us size point when compared to the AD. They can have that one. But honestly where we have our pump suggested to be mounted, they fit just fine with no issue. AND no…we hardly every hear of anyone damaging filters due to them being exposed. When installed properly, the 150 Series filter just barely peak out of the bottom of the bed in short bed applications…you cant see the 95 Series at all in similar applications.
Also our pumps are modular. Meaning that you can rebuild, update, or upgrade your pump without having to purchase a new one. For example, if you wanted to update your 150 GPH pump to say a 200 GPH or larger, all you would need to do is just get a new T-Block assembly. Unbolt the old t-block and bolt on the new one. That’s it. Yes, I know….they come back with more places to leak…but this is where my side of the company comes into play. I have never seen a properly installed o-ring leak except for a very few select issues.
That brings us to the next thing. We share the same building as the company that does all our machining. So if things need to be changed, designed, or tested, they are just down stairs and though a door. No red tape. Updates can be made in mins, not days. Plus they are very well respected as they have done lots of work for Lockheed Martin, the US Government and some of the local auto manufactures. They keep tight standards to make sure they keep getting large contracts.
I’m sure I could touch on some more points…and Brad would be pointing out all the stuff I missed! Haha….but I feel that I have put some substance down that has not been posted before. I figure if anything more needs to be said…ill let Brad take it from there......
Let me first say that i don’t like these threads as they rarely accomplish anything other than bashing and nothing every good comes out of them. Do a search, this will prob be one of the 3 AD vs FASS threads you will see me on. I don’t like to get mixed up in the sales aspect of it as I am a troubleshooter for the Tech dept. BUT this one time I will do my best at giving you factual answers to your question.
Sorry Anthony….got to step some on some toes…but with all due respect
From our side….we don’t do anything that the Air Dog doesn’t do. They say we don’t take air out of the fuel at high pressure/flow conditions. I can say if our pump is returning fuel back to the tank via the units return line, its taking air/vapor out. And not too many conditions where I can see a properly setup pump where it would not be returning fuel back to the tank. All of them would have to be externally induced to cause our pump not to return fuel.
We are not going to bash them as they make a decent pump. BUT the area we feel we differ is quality of construction of our kit. We use billet T6061 alum in our pumps. Nothing is cast. It's overly strong in design. We use mandrel bends where we can and yes that cost us size point when compared to the AD. They can have that one. But honestly where we have our pump suggested to be mounted, they fit just fine with no issue. AND no…we hardly every hear of anyone damaging filters due to them being exposed. When installed properly, the 150 Series filter just barely peak out of the bottom of the bed in short bed applications…you cant see the 95 Series at all in similar applications.
Also our pumps are modular. Meaning that you can rebuild, update, or upgrade your pump without having to purchase a new one. For example, if you wanted to update your 150 GPH pump to say a 200 GPH or larger, all you would need to do is just get a new T-Block assembly. Unbolt the old t-block and bolt on the new one. That’s it. Yes, I know….they come back with more places to leak…but this is where my side of the company comes into play. I have never seen a properly installed o-ring leak except for a very few select issues.
That brings us to the next thing. We share the same building as the company that does all our machining. So if things need to be changed, designed, or tested, they are just down stairs and though a door. No red tape. Updates can be made in mins, not days. Plus they are very well respected as they have done lots of work for Lockheed Martin, the US Government and some of the local auto manufactures. They keep tight standards to make sure they keep getting large contracts.
I’m sure I could touch on some more points…and Brad would be pointing out all the stuff I missed! Haha….but I feel that I have put some substance down that has not been posted before. I figure if anything more needs to be said…ill let Brad take it from there......
Ill make mine a little shorter. Dan, no toes smashed here. Its all in a days work man. But Ill touch on a few things real quick. No bashes intended either Dan. So... The obvious first. AirDog pumps are smaller, quieter, cheaper. We machine alot of our own parts with our in house CNC machines. They are as well all cut from billet aluminum. As far as doing all machining here in the same building. We do have others making bases for us as well. At the moment we cannot keep up without them. Every part that is received from the other company is inspected very very closely in person with the people that cut the material. Geez Dan you wrote to much I cant remember it all. Oh ya... Dont get Brad on here. Ill sick Charlie on him lol. Just kidding. I think me and you can handle it a bit better than those 2 would if they got on here.

If I left anything out let me know cause Im sure I did.


