The things I hear.............
ATF in a motor,30wt oil in the fuel WAS OLD advise by the guy working on them for the last half century.At one time ATF was considered the ultimate cleaner when no others were out there.Injectors and pumps,clearances were not as critical as today.In another words THINGS CHANGE.Bows and arrows and muzzle loaders are NOT used by our armed forces any more.
Originally Posted by Buffalo
I'm often amazed at what some people will put into their fuel systems.
The thing that amazes me the most is the guys that dump their old used engine oil into their tank. If it's too dirty to run as an engine lubricant, what must it be doing to your fuel delivery system? Even if the fuel filter gets most of the dirt, the filter is sure to clog-up much faster.
Joe F.(Buffalo)
The thing that amazes me the most is the guys that dump their old used engine oil into their tank. If it's too dirty to run as an engine lubricant, what must it be doing to your fuel delivery system? Even if the fuel filter gets most of the dirt, the filter is sure to clog-up much faster.
Joe F.(Buffalo)
Wow, you're pretty easily amazed. This one will REALLY amaze you. When you wake back up from fainting, tell us what you think:
I don't just put my old engine oil into my fuel tank-I dump EVERYONE ELSE'S old used oil in there too! I go collect the oil from shops, and I run it through a 10 micron hydraulic filter. Then, into the tank it gooooooes... Now keep in mind, this is in a p-pumped 12v, but still...
So far as the fuel filter, the only thing I've noticed is that it won't pass quite as much oil as ordinary diesel fuel, probably because the oil is thicker. It shows up as sputtering on the very top end, well above the rpm to which the engine was originally governed. I know it's not actual clogging of the filter, because I got caught without oil one time on a trip and had to fill up on diesel. The fuel starvation sputtering went away for that tank, and came back again when I was able to get back on oil. That fuel filter currently has about 4k on it, so the jury is still out on total filter lifespan. In any case, even if I had to change filters every single tank, it would be worth it financially. As it is, even if the filter plugs solid tomorrow, one filter every 4k vs enough diesel to go that far is basically free by comparison.
Geez , I am almost afraid to tell. I have a 78(I think) Ford 9000( straight truck for use on the farm) with a Detroit Deisel. It has 440000 mi. and has had a quart of trans fluid in both tanks every fill since new. My uncle bought it in the late 70s and we got it from him when he retired 8 or so years ago. I have never used it in the new cummins but it was and is a very common practice with the older diesels. It cleans the injectors and lubes the pump. (so they say) Other than leaking about a gallon of oil a day the old Detroit keeps on ticking.
Joe
Joe
Originally Posted by jdmh7500
I was at a local shop getting my truck serviced last week. I over heard the service guys chatting about a smoking Nissan Pathfinder. I looked out and lo and behold a huge amount of white smoke was coming out of the exhaust. The first thing i thought was "see ya later valves".....
Come to find out, cause i wanted to find out what the dumba$$ had done, he had done something so dumb that i started to turn red. This guy had drained his tranny fluid thinking it was his oil and put the plug back in. He then proceeded to dump 4 quarts of oil back into the engine.
Hopefully he didn't blow his head gasket and valves. I didn't stick around to find out if they could drain the oil and fill the tranny back up with the 1/3 fluid it was missing, but I hope it turned out well for the poor guy.
Anyway the things we hear!!!!
Come to find out, cause i wanted to find out what the dumba$$ had done, he had done something so dumb that i started to turn red. This guy had drained his tranny fluid thinking it was his oil and put the plug back in. He then proceeded to dump 4 quarts of oil back into the engine.
Hopefully he didn't blow his head gasket and valves. I didn't stick around to find out if they could drain the oil and fill the tranny back up with the 1/3 fluid it was missing, but I hope it turned out well for the poor guy.Anyway the things we hear!!!!
Originally Posted by mule3010
Geez , I am almost afraid to tell. I have a 78(I think) Ford 9000( straight truck for use on the farm) with a Detroit Deisel. It has 440000 mi. and has had a quart of trans fluid in both tanks every fill since new. My uncle bought it in the late 70s and we got it from him when he retired 8 or so years ago. I have never used it in the new cummins but it was and is a very common practice with the older diesels. It cleans the injectors and lubes the pump. (so they say) Other than leaking about a gallon of oil a day the old Detroit keeps on ticking.
Joe
Joe
A 78' Ford with a Detroit is no where near the same as 3rd gen HPCR Cummins. I think I am just gonna start telling people, hey, it's your $12,000 engine if it goes, do what you want! Why would you wnat to use the stuff they make for the HPCR fuel system, heck just dump some ATF through that puppy! Those $600 injectors probably won't mine a bit!
All Nissans have drain plugs in the tranny pan. They also do not use a paper filer. They use a metal screen. The things people do these days. Only engines I know of with a sludge problem is the ones the people don't change the oil in like they are supposed to regularly. I have seen my share of sludge buckets. Take the drain plug out and the glob of oil just plops out. Then the laughing begins.
Originally Posted by jdmh7500
This guy had drained his tranny fluid thinking it was his oil and put the plug back in. He then proceeded to dump 4 quarts of oil back into the engine.
He was the same one that drove around in 4 wheel drive for a couple of days on the pavement because he forgot it was engaged. 75-80mph down the highway for miles and around town.
He's torn up a couple of trucks.
That is exactly why folks continue to do it. They know it worked for dad and grandad so they figure it's OK for them too. They don't realize that the fuel system has much higher presures along with much closer tolerances. (this is my guess anyway) Hell,if it was not for boards like this who knows I might be pouring it in mine.
Joe
Joe
Originally Posted by Luke S
But why? What would cause one to want to do this? Even if it hasn't damaged your engine's why not just use fuel additive if you feel you really need to do something? As many problems as I see come through our shop on the HPCR Cummins fuel systems due to contamination, I wouldn't put anything in the tank other than good old diesel fuel, and a Mopar or Cummins/Fleetgaurd fuel additive. Why don't you call up Cummins and ask them want they think of your idea of running motor oil through a HPCR fuel system, I'm sure they'd be interested to hear about it!
I Run a Can of weed Eater 2 stroke oil in every Tank ! Also In My VW Diesel.
Regards,
Col.
Pete, I got it right out of our annual Mopar performance catalog. I am going to put it on my 93' D250. The book says it'll fit an A518/46rh. Don't know about anything else? I'd think it'd fit the newer one's also? My dealer cost was around $170 and some change, retail is just over $210 if memorey serves me which it rarely does!
I'm not a common rail but I prime my filter housing with whatever I have available at the time. I have used lucas, kerosene, two stroke oil, power service,10-W30 mixed with kero, Red Line, Amsoil, Sheafer, WVO, STP, ATF, all kinds of nasty stuff.
I have even seen guys dump gallon jugs of water into the old Detroit two strokes to clean them out.
I have even seen guys dump gallon jugs of water into the old Detroit two strokes to clean them out.


