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Old Apr 3, 2005 | 02:37 PM
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oil, need help fast!

I went under the truck to do the oil change (1st since buying used) and lo and behold I can't find the filter.! I look and see an Amsoil bypass filter system(rerouted to the front), with 2 Amsoil filters on it. I now know that the dealer where I bought it never changed the filters, just changed the oil. I know cause I checked the dipstick when I picked it up and saw brand new oil in it, but I also know he didn't put Amsoil filters on it!

Now the conundrum - - - I went ahead and bought the 4-2-1 filter kit from Geno's and the stratopore has a different diameter inlet than amsoil filters.
Do I just change the oil now(I don't have any amsoil filters handy), and leave the filters in place, knowing they weren't changed 5k ago when I bought it, or do I wait till I can get a few filters from amsoil and do the whole nine yrds.?
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Old Apr 3, 2005 | 03:36 PM
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open the hood and look on the right side of the block. should be just in front of the turbo.
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Old Apr 3, 2005 | 04:36 PM
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I belive he is saying he does not have the stock filter on it so its not right in front of the turbo.I would wait and get filters for it first.
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Old Apr 3, 2005 | 05:03 PM
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Bubba;
Thats right, the normal filter area has an adapter on it that transfers the oil to a remote dual filter system.
what I did was remove both amsoil filters. One was their be100 bypass filter( supposed to be good for 1 yr. 25000 mi.) It has the large dia. inlet (like the stratopore). I pitched that one, being the truck just turned 30k and I know it did not get changed at the dealer. I put on a fleetguard stratopore on at that location.
The other inlet has a smaller dia. and I did not have a filter here for that size so I put the amsoil (sdf26) back on and changed the oil.
I was planning on switching to Amsoil and adding a dual filter system in about a month, (didn,t have the cash now!), so while it caught me off guard, it sure was a pleasant suprise!
Its a real good feeling to buy a used truck only to find that the previous owner cared enough about it to go with this system and oil.
For now it got Valvoline premium blue.
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Old Apr 3, 2005 | 08:09 PM
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sorry, I didn't read the post very closely
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Old Apr 4, 2005 | 03:08 AM
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Get on the AMSOIL web site and get yourself a BE-100 and SDF-26 they will run you about $50 total.
That filter you put in place of the BE-100 is NOT I say NOT good. THe BE-100 is a 5micron filter, the actual BY-Pass filter. All of the ormal filtering is done in the SDF-26 filter. I have this setup on my truck. It's ggod that yo are removing the oil from the truck but if you plan on going with the AMSOIL then you will want to get that dino oil out and put in the AMSOIL ASAP.
Just my .01 worth.
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Old Apr 4, 2005 | 08:42 AM
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supergewl;
I already signed up as a preferred cust. I was a dealer in the past, but its a tough sell , so figured just the pref. cust. would be best for me.

I put the fleetguard on cause I figured it will filter as good as the factory setup, right?

When you bought the bypass kit new , did it come with various size inlet nozzels?
What I would like to do is use the fleetguard stratopore in place of the sdf26 and put the BE- 100 from amsoil on the other nozzel, but the inlet noz. where the sdf26 is, is too small for the stratopore.

I finally got the original owners address from public DMV records and I am going to write him to see if he has amsoil in the other areas of the truck.(he seems like a real stickler for detail).

In the meantime I'm going to treat this as a normal oil change and re do it in 4k with the right filters and oil.
Wadda-ya-think?
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Old Apr 4, 2005 | 10:00 AM
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TheDomie - get that fleetguard off your amsoil setup! The BE100 is a 1 micron or less filter, and has very slow flow rates. Adding the high flow rate fleetguard to its location could jeopardize your overall oil flow, and is certainly hurting your filtration abilities.

Most likely the dealer simply didn't change the oil. My truck with the same setup can go 20k miles and the oil still looks clear on the dipstick...

Return your geno's filters, you should have just left the amsoil filters on there. Once you get the right filters, and an extended drain group4 synthetic in there, you can do sdf26 changes every 10k and be100 every 20k and you'll be good to go...

Where/how is the bypass kit mounted?

Do not try to simply switch the location, by running a be100 and stratapore. Don't mess with success - the sdf26 is as good or better than the stratapore and it fits and is priced similarly...
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Old Apr 4, 2005 | 11:12 AM
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lightman;
the amsoil filters are ordered.
The oil pressure is up a bit from before(more to my liking).
The bypass is located in the"pocket" between the front wheel well liner and the front bumper. Seems like a nice spot?

Question- - - Why would the stratopore hurt anything, (for a while), in place of the be100?
Wouldn't it do the same as an original filter on the Cummins? I just am going to run the dino in it for 4k and then the amsoil goes in!

Do you do oil analysis?

I noticed the bypass this guy has on has the optional petcock on it.
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Old Apr 4, 2005 | 11:26 AM
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Domie - the oil pressure gauge in your truck is worthless if you're going by the one in the dash - it's not even close to representative of the real oil pressures our trucks see. If you have a real oil pressure gauge I retract my statement..

It's possible the stratapore isn't hurting anything being there, but it's a good thing you have the proper filters ordered.

I have several oil analysis reports from 4 different vehicles - let me know if you have a report you want to discuss or want one of mine to compare yours to.

What amsoil oil are you planning on running?

Do you get a humming noise that changes with RPM with your setup mounted where it is?
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Old Apr 4, 2005 | 12:23 PM
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lightman- I was planning on using amsoil 15-40 deisel/ marine, full synth.

I don't notice any humm but remember this is my first deisel and I bought it used, so I have no bench mark to go from.

Who do you use for anaylisis?
I've never done this with a gasser.
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Old Apr 4, 2005 | 12:29 PM
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There are plenty of labs that can do an oil analysis for you for under $20. I use www.oaitesting.com , but only because I bought a pack of 12 kits for $10 each a few years back from Amsoil. Blackstone labs is good, www.avlube.com is very good, etc. For more oil analysis info go to www.bobistheoilguy.com . If you want to pm me, I can send you copies of 7500k, 10000k, and 20000k analysis reports using Delvac 1 5w40 and the amsoil dual bypass setup..

Several folks, myself included , had humming noises from their amsoil setups when mounted in locations like yours or various places. I was just curious.

The amsoil 15w40 HD marine/diesel is a a proven performer. As long as it doesn't regularly get below 10F where you live, I'd say you made a great choice.
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Old Apr 28, 2005 | 09:00 PM
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Well I finally got in touch with the previous owner of my truck,(looked him up in public records at DMV). Seems like a cool guy and very particular with his vehicles.
He did have a reverberation from the remote mount on the bypass filter kit. Had it removed and mounted on rubber.
The truck also has amsoil 75w-90w in the front and rear end. He says he didn't get to the tranny before selling it. So thats next!
I can't get anyone around here to use amsoil ATF in their pumps they use to clear out the tranny?
I'm also getting a little chatter from the rear end while towing the 5er, on sharp turns, any solutions?
I guess I have to update my sig. This thing has more options all the time! Just found the Amsoil foam air filter in it also.
Now I gotta return the 4-2-1 filter deal I bought from Genos( guess I was a little too anxious)
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Old Apr 29, 2005 | 01:35 AM
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I see a bounch of others have answered your AMSOIL questions. AS far as the Stratapore filter in place of the BE-100 they are right, that spot is the By-Pass spot and that filter (BE-100) filters down below 5 microns and that spot only sends about 5% of the oil there at a time.
As far as the chatter in the rear yo may need to add the Equa torq form AMSOIL or change the fluid to 75W-140, but before ;you do any of htat you may want to check the fluid level to ensure there is enough in there. It should be wihtin 1/2 inch when hot.
I had the dealer change my fluid and install AMSOIL ATF. They only charged me for labor but you will need about 5 gallons of fluid to ensure they get a good flush fill.
I do have pics of my mount in my web page. Lightman had the same type of mount but now he has a nicer version of the same setup, atleast it mounts in the same location. This setup does not give you the HUMM that others have complained about. It's also easier to change the filters and take samples
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Old Apr 29, 2005 | 08:33 AM
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SuperGewl;
I thought that I might need an additive for the chatter. I'll look up that egua torque and order some. I didn't think that I wanted to go to the 140w severe gear as we only tow about 25% of the total mileage on the truck and I was afraid that there was still no guarantee of no chatter without an additive.
I saw somewhere that a guy worked out a process where he disconnected the tranny line to the cooler and as the fluid was pumped out by the tranny, he dumped new amsoil in until a complete flush was done. Sounds like it should work.
Amsoil sent the wrong bypass filter with the first order (be 90 vs be 100), should have the new one next week.
The previous owner switched to amsoil at initial oil change at 2500 mi. I wasn't too happy about that (concerned the cummins didn't actually break in ) so I figure that a run with dino in it and the wrong filter for 3000 mi. won't hurt, then the right oil and filters go in!
He said that the sdf26, that I left on, wasn't due for a change for another 4k anyway.
Thanks for the tip!
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