good luck let us know how it turns out

 

Be sure to remove any aftermarket parts and all traces of them, if dealer finds or suspects aftermarket parts- say good bye to your warranty!!!
does your programmer leave any traces on trucks ecm- check and remove before dealer visit!
got a dash mount for your programer- remove it and stuff a gps in its place!
dont give them any reason to not warranty your truck!!!!

 

Talk to the dealer service manager that you are thinking of taking your truck to. Tell him what happened and that it had a tuner on it when you bought it. And ask if they can still fix it. Be honest they are going to know it had a tuner anyway.

 

Why would you need to remove the oil by pass setup before you take it in?

 

because dodge is usually so annal that i'm surprised that they wont void any warranty work if your not running a factory air filter

 

well, talked to the dealer. they said they ordered me six new injectors which will be covered under warranty. I guess it's easier for them just to say all six injectors are bad and bill dodge than to test each one.
I asked them to check the cylinders for damage and to check the bearings to see if they were scored. They said that they will talk to the tech who is doing the work when he gets in on Monday and see if he thinks he needs to take the pan off and check. How would you guys recommend that I get them to do a thorough engine inspection rather than just giving me the injectors and booting me out the door?

 

See how it sounds/runs after the injectors and it is running with oil in the crankcase.

I assume they would stick a scope down the injector hole while changing them out?

 

So here is the news:

I took the truck into the dealership after taking a sample of the oil to send to blackstone.

The dealership confirmed fuel in oil and determined that I had injector failure and needed six new injectors. It would all be covered under warranty.

They replaced the injectors and the guy at the dealership drove it for 45 miles. They did not hear any knocking, and told me that it would cost 900 dollars if I wanted them to disassemble the engine and check the bearings for scoring or check the cylinders. (That would be covered by warranty only if they actually determined there was scoring). THey recommended that instead,I just bring it back for another oil change and let them take a listen (and also send in another sample to blackstone to see if there was a high level of metal in the oil).

The sample sent to blackstone had too much fuel in it to be evaluated.

I've driven the truck about 200 miles now and noticed an incredible increase in fuel economy. My questions are this:

When I got the truck last year, I didn't have any of the problems with low oil pressure or fuel in oil (i've always sent my oil in to the lab for analysis after each oil change and never had fuel in oil). Since I only have three months left on my warranty, what would you do if it were your truck? Would you pay the 900 to have the engine looked into to see if there is any damage? would you trust the dealer and just bring it in for a check up at the next oil change and send in the oil sample? How accurate will their diagnosis be if they don't drop the pan and pull the engine apart? Can they tell just from listening for knocking? Would you buy an extended warranty?

My mileage was always about 16mpg. After having the injectors changed, it's 18 - 19mpg. If I never had any fuel in oil (until the epic fail of the injectors last month), what could explain the increased economy with the new injectors? Just spray pattern?

If the previous owner had a programmer on the engine, could that have damaged the injectors? (all six of them???) Would something like an edge juice do that kind of damage? or is it likely that the injectors just failed, and it isn't an indicator that the previous owner abused the engine.

I would really like to know what, if anything is damaged before my warranty runs out so I can get it repaired/replaced. Any suggestions for items that commonly fail around 80k miles but might be missed by the dealerships inspection>?

 

Personally, I would spend the money and get a 2 Micron fuel filter setup on.

I doubt anything is seriously wrong or you would have seen it by now.

 

I already have the 2 micron fuel filter. I just took it off when I took the truck into the shop so they wouldn't have the extra hoses in the way. The dealer said i'd be fine to put it back on, as they could get around the hoses. I just need to order some extra filters from amsoil.

They gave it another look over, and i'll take it in one more time before christmas and have the oil changed.

 

More than likely the injectors have not been seating correctly for a while and thats where your mileage had gone to.

When they finally went they probably cracked a barrel and dumped the fuel into the oil. If they had been leaking down you would have had a lot of white smoke on startup from the fuel sitting on the pistons and burning off. Thats good news because there is a very good chance it did not hurt a piston or rings.

If the engine sounds good, you don't have excessive white smoke on startup, and there is no excessive blow buy you probably caught it before it hurt anything.

If you can afford the bill, have them pull the pan and the head and check it out for peace of mind. Otherwise, these engines are pretty tough and unless you hotrodded it with the fuel in the oil for quite a while its probably OK.

Good luck.

 

That's pretty much what the dealership said. One thing that surprised me, they said they would honor the warranty regardless of what aftermarket parts I put on in the future (I asked them if a bypass oil filter, banks high-ram intake, 4 inch exhaust system and FASS fuel pump would void my warranty).

They said as long as i'm not racing the truck or abusing it, and as long as I take any programmer off before I bring it in (because they are afraid they might remove it wrong when doing diagnostics) then they wouldn't void the warranty.

They did determine that one of the gaskets might have been degraded by the fuel in oil causing a slow oil leak, so they are ordering me a new gasket and will replace it in a month when i bring it in for an oil change and final look-over. (again, all under warranty).

It seems to me that dodge's desperate situation has encouraged them to do everything they can to hold on to, and attract, customers. It's working. Next dodge I buy will be through that dealership.

 

Sounds like you have a fair dealer there. Since the truck is now running good why not just purchase an extended warranty and drive with no worries for a while. Personally I think keeping it stock or close is best anyway for long term reliability. I would like an upgaded filter system and some gauges but dealers around here seem to be very suspicous of any mods. Remember as soon as you see any movement like drop in oil pressure or engine light come on pull over and tread lightly. At least thats what I do.

 

You woud think MORE dealers rather than less owuld adopt this attitude to survive. Doesn't seem to work that way though as the majority look for ways to drive customers away or sell green cars to warranty.

 

The powertrain extended warranty is about $2200.00 for 7 years/70,000mi. I have two months, or 20,000mi left on my original warranty. I'm debating on whether the warranty is worth it, because to be honest, if something like a transmission failed me, i might look at it as an opportunity to spend the $3000 to buy an upgraded transmission...

I have to talk to one of these aftermarket warranty places that has been calling me. they seem pretty desperate for business these days.