Decision to buy a Dodge or a Duramax??
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Originally Posted by duratothemax
the duracrap is made in moraine, ohio 
only foreign parts are the HPCR fuel inj system (bosch/german), air conditioning compressor (used to be delco, but now denso/japan), the frame (canada), bose stereo amplifier (mexico), and the HVAC controller (mexico)
anyway, theres no denying the cummins is an awesome engine. Any powerstroke or duramax guy that says their engines are much better than the cummins does not have their head screwed on straight. Ill admit that any day of the week because it is true. With that being said, I do feel that the duramax is a solid A-/B+ engine, with the cummins being an A+. Its had some initial teething problems(injectors), but it is a new engine, and hopefully in the long run it will prove to be a "viable alternative" to the cummins.
I chose my truck because I (flame suit on) like GM trucks first off, and second off wanted a diesel; I didnt chose my truck for the duramax. The duramax was the diesel that was offered in the GM's, so it was my only option. Ive had good luck with mine, only problem was the ECM started acting wierd around 12,000 miles, replaced under warrantee. Never left me stranded tho. I dunno, the truck does what I need it to do without complaining, so in my eyes that makes it a reliable truck that I am happy with. I have complaints, everyone does about every truck; small fuel tank, silly stock tires, a retarded memory-position seat... Is everyone going to have the same luck as me? Who knows. To be honest, I always just kind of roll my eyes whenever I see this question, for obvious reasons. If someone asks me personally, the only thing I tell them is "my truck has been good to me and im happy with it". Does it mean they should take that advice and go out and buy a GM? No, not at all. If you let other people make your decisions and choose the truck for you based on THEIR oppinions and experiences, then IMO, you will never truely be happy with your truck and you'll be looking for excuses/small problems to trade it for the truck you "truely" wanted in the first place. Its like If, say for example I always had a "thing" for Dodge's, and talked to 100 people and 95 of them said "nah Ford is the way to go!!! Fords are the best!". So I tenatively take this blind advice and go buy a Ford. I drive it and try to like it because everyone said it was so good, but that little voice in the back of my head is still nagging at me with the "what if you bought a Dodge" or something like that. So then I start to become less and less satisfied with the Ford and try to think of excuses to get rid of it and get what I really wanted all along. Then one day the headlight on the Ford burns out. OH! AN EASY WAY OUT! HOLY CRAP!!! JUNK TRUCK GOTTA TRADE!!! MAYBE ILL TRADE IT FOR A DODGE!!!!
IFS vs SFA, again, oppinion. As said, if you are actually going to use a lift for its intended purpose (not a show truck), dont bother with IFS. Left at stock height I feel it is up to the task of HD truck duty, towing etc. I dont intend to off road my truck other than going to jobsites etc, so for the majority of onroad daily driving and towing, it suits me. I will say the stock tie rods are horribly inadequate and a mistake in terms of design. They are honestly no bigger than my finger. I sleeved mine so I feel a little better tho.
frames: all of the big three have equally strong HD frames IMO, shouldnt really be a concern. The Chevy stock hitch could be bigger, but I dont think id tow more than 12,000 pounds without the GN anyway.
rumors: headgasket problems!! --- not an issue, as silly as the aluminum heads seem, they have not caused any problems
japanese isuzu crap --- c'mon guys world war II is over, Isuzu has had some good diesels over the years
If someone put a gun to your head and said CHOOSE AN HD PICKUP!!! make note of the truck that you involuntarrilly blurt out, and go down to the dealer and buy THAT truck. Whatever it may be, you'll be happy with it!
and also just remember, they're all mechanical devices; they can and will fail when you need them most
-ben
btw the "rod" pictures are not of duramax rods; im not sure what they are (maybe a 6.5 rod?) but they are definetly not dmax rods. The cummins rods are still bigger with a thicker beam regardless tho
only foreign parts are the HPCR fuel inj system (bosch/german), air conditioning compressor (used to be delco, but now denso/japan), the frame (canada), bose stereo amplifier (mexico), and the HVAC controller (mexico)
anyway, theres no denying the cummins is an awesome engine. Any powerstroke or duramax guy that says their engines are much better than the cummins does not have their head screwed on straight. Ill admit that any day of the week because it is true. With that being said, I do feel that the duramax is a solid A-/B+ engine, with the cummins being an A+. Its had some initial teething problems(injectors), but it is a new engine, and hopefully in the long run it will prove to be a "viable alternative" to the cummins.
I chose my truck because I (flame suit on) like GM trucks first off, and second off wanted a diesel; I didnt chose my truck for the duramax. The duramax was the diesel that was offered in the GM's, so it was my only option. Ive had good luck with mine, only problem was the ECM started acting wierd around 12,000 miles, replaced under warrantee. Never left me stranded tho. I dunno, the truck does what I need it to do without complaining, so in my eyes that makes it a reliable truck that I am happy with. I have complaints, everyone does about every truck; small fuel tank, silly stock tires, a retarded memory-position seat... Is everyone going to have the same luck as me? Who knows. To be honest, I always just kind of roll my eyes whenever I see this question, for obvious reasons. If someone asks me personally, the only thing I tell them is "my truck has been good to me and im happy with it". Does it mean they should take that advice and go out and buy a GM? No, not at all. If you let other people make your decisions and choose the truck for you based on THEIR oppinions and experiences, then IMO, you will never truely be happy with your truck and you'll be looking for excuses/small problems to trade it for the truck you "truely" wanted in the first place. Its like If, say for example I always had a "thing" for Dodge's, and talked to 100 people and 95 of them said "nah Ford is the way to go!!! Fords are the best!". So I tenatively take this blind advice and go buy a Ford. I drive it and try to like it because everyone said it was so good, but that little voice in the back of my head is still nagging at me with the "what if you bought a Dodge" or something like that. So then I start to become less and less satisfied with the Ford and try to think of excuses to get rid of it and get what I really wanted all along. Then one day the headlight on the Ford burns out. OH! AN EASY WAY OUT! HOLY CRAP!!! JUNK TRUCK GOTTA TRADE!!! MAYBE ILL TRADE IT FOR A DODGE!!!!
IFS vs SFA, again, oppinion. As said, if you are actually going to use a lift for its intended purpose (not a show truck), dont bother with IFS. Left at stock height I feel it is up to the task of HD truck duty, towing etc. I dont intend to off road my truck other than going to jobsites etc, so for the majority of onroad daily driving and towing, it suits me. I will say the stock tie rods are horribly inadequate and a mistake in terms of design. They are honestly no bigger than my finger. I sleeved mine so I feel a little better tho.
frames: all of the big three have equally strong HD frames IMO, shouldnt really be a concern. The Chevy stock hitch could be bigger, but I dont think id tow more than 12,000 pounds without the GN anyway.
rumors: headgasket problems!! --- not an issue, as silly as the aluminum heads seem, they have not caused any problems
japanese isuzu crap --- c'mon guys world war II is over, Isuzu has had some good diesels over the years
If someone put a gun to your head and said CHOOSE AN HD PICKUP!!! make note of the truck that you involuntarrilly blurt out, and go down to the dealer and buy THAT truck. Whatever it may be, you'll be happy with it!
and also just remember, they're all mechanical devices; they can and will fail when you need them most
-ben
btw the "rod" pictures are not of duramax rods; im not sure what they are (maybe a 6.5 rod?) but they are definetly not dmax rods. The cummins rods are still bigger with a thicker beam regardless tho
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Originally Posted by TRC51
I don't care how much power the Chevy makes.... if I had to chance that the truck would be in the shop as often as my last four chevy's, I would buy my Dodge again.... and again.... and again.
I wonder if Don M or Nathan (idahoctd) has actually looked at both the common rail Cummins injectors and dmax injectors as to differences? I havent read up on it in detail, but none of the commonrail Cummins's seem to eat injectors like the dmax's did.....doh...off topic
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Originally Posted by bigman
You cant buy a new 2006 4 door duramax for that price. No way not even used.
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While I'm not necessarily a diehard Dodge fan, I LOVE the Cummins and the
solid axle frontend . My advice is that if you want a very CARLIKE truck with
a nice interior and incredibly WIMPY ifs, then get a GM , but if you want reliability and ruggedness , the Dodge has more to offer.
solid axle frontend . My advice is that if you want a very CARLIKE truck with
a nice interior and incredibly WIMPY ifs, then get a GM , but if you want reliability and ruggedness , the Dodge has more to offer.
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Originally Posted by Chip
I look at it like this : Why did GM turn to Isuzu for the design of the D'max. I'm not impressed with the design. GM maybe could have used Caterpillar !!!
Chip
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GM is hiring all of there engineers from china these days, Cat was too smart to put a good engine in a POS!!!!
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I have an 05 2500. My friend and her husband had an 03 3500 dually. They tow her three horse with 12 feet of living space trailer with it. I've driven behind them while they were towing and didn't think they did too bad. This is what they thought of it. Their fuel milage was good (3rd Gen SO), power was OK, tires were expensive, U-joints went bad twice in the front, and it rode fine.
This month they traded it in for the 06 Chev. dually with the diesel. It has more bells and whistle inside then theirs, or mine, does and the interior is more plush. They haven't towed the hoarse trailer yet as they need a goose neck ball and all installed in the bed. He said it rides really nice empty. What I don't like is it looks, well, miniature. The tires are smaller, and look like regular pickup tires, not ones you see on duallies. It rides lower to the ground, and the main leaf spring pack in the rear had most of the weight with only one leaf overload above it. Each side of the bed on the outside is all one piece of fiberglass, or plastic. The headlight was easy to get out to change a light bulb with a release pin. Under the hood was loaded with all sorts of crap, I don't like seeing so many parts- more to go wrong I think. The only good thing I liked was the automatic transmission and all the gears over my four speed auto that I can't lockout overdrive- I really hate that! The thing I hated the most was the independent front suspension... in a one ton?!?
It was a nice truck, but it just doesn't fit a truck's demeanor. Guess I've just gotten use to ours. I also have never cared for the characteristics that GM engineers have been incorporating into their trucks over the last twenty-five years or so, back to about the first S-10/ S-15 pickups.
I love my truck for the most part. I'd still like to lock-out overdrive.
This month they traded it in for the 06 Chev. dually with the diesel. It has more bells and whistle inside then theirs, or mine, does and the interior is more plush. They haven't towed the hoarse trailer yet as they need a goose neck ball and all installed in the bed. He said it rides really nice empty. What I don't like is it looks, well, miniature. The tires are smaller, and look like regular pickup tires, not ones you see on duallies. It rides lower to the ground, and the main leaf spring pack in the rear had most of the weight with only one leaf overload above it. Each side of the bed on the outside is all one piece of fiberglass, or plastic. The headlight was easy to get out to change a light bulb with a release pin. Under the hood was loaded with all sorts of crap, I don't like seeing so many parts- more to go wrong I think. The only good thing I liked was the automatic transmission and all the gears over my four speed auto that I can't lockout overdrive- I really hate that! The thing I hated the most was the independent front suspension... in a one ton?!?
It was a nice truck, but it just doesn't fit a truck's demeanor. Guess I've just gotten use to ours. I also have never cared for the characteristics that GM engineers have been incorporating into their trucks over the last twenty-five years or so, back to about the first S-10/ S-15 pickups.
I love my truck for the most part. I'd still like to lock-out overdrive.
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I know some people will never agree with me about the IFS... No offence to you guys, but I cant help but think that SOME of those hated views are based purely on (dare i say) ignorance, lack of experience, and unsupported "gut feelings". Beleive me, I agree that the concept of IFS on an HD truck does sound stupid and silly and really weak when you conjur up a renderig in your head. For good reason tho; I mean 9 times out of 10, IFS is associated with the chincy setup found on a car that will only stand up to light duty, if that. So you have this stereotypical IFS image in your head and then see that its on the GM HD trucks and think HA how stupid! That must be so weak and would probably break if you hit a pothole too hard!
So therein lies the basis of maybe 75-80% of the oppinions of the GM HD IFS. All of the big three trucks have flaws, I will NEVER say that my beloved GM is perfect! The fuel tank is too small, the stock tires are the stupidest things ive ever seen, ALL of the intermediate shafts CLUNK until they are replaced or regreased, the injectors suck on the first gen Dmax's, the trucks sit LOW to the ground and even the 4x4's have a silly RAKE to them from the factory, the transfer cases (NP263) have the dreaded "pump-rubbing a hole in the case" problem, the NSBU switches on the very early Allison's crapped out, the drivers seat memory function is retarded 90% of the time, and the parking brake sucks. BUT!!!! I will not include the IFS as one of the trucks problem area's. Its kind of like the whole dmax aluminum heads blowing head gasket things. In 99% of situations, aluminum heads on a diesel is stupid and will never work and will result in blown head gaskets right and left. People see that and draw their own conclusions. Left at stock height I feel the GM IFS is surprisingly durable and more up to the task than most people think it is. Becuase it "is" IFS, it doesnt really get the credit it might deserve. When the GMT-900 (next generation) trucks were first starting to be talked about the big hubbub going around was "maybe it will have a solid front axle!!". Personally I didnt care whether it did or not, Id much rather see them fix other areas of the trucks before they mess with the suspension. For me and many other people, the IFS works, so why mess with it? Now of course the stock tie rods ARE a joke!!! But, sleeve them with SuperDiesel's tie rod sleeves, and with the bars not cranked the hell out of, the setup is strong IMHO. Mine has dozens and dozens of boosted 4wd launches on it, the two dmax's running 10's havent broken anything (except No Limit did break their stock 131,000 mile motor on the second 10 second pass! 
).
One of my buddies (cummins guy, hes got an 02 Ram) bought a cheap 1988 beater chevy that he put 35's on, cranked the hell out of the tbars and hacked the fenders (no lift), and beat the crap out of the thing off road. We took it off jumps and had the front end 2 feet in the air, and one jump had such a steep approach angle that the first time he hit the upsloap at 45 mph (350 TBI had no more power! haha), it pushed the bumper back a couple inches, creased out the fenders and buckled the hood a bit. We tried so hard to break that IFS, the steering box took a beating and got so worn out, the 4x4 had to be permanently engaed with a rod jammed in the thermal actuator spot, but somehow we didnt break anything! I honestly went in each time we off roaded it expecting to break something, I wasnt even a full beleiver in the IFS until we put that truck thru everything...it was so fun beating the crap out of it...at the end of the school year he sold it for 375 dollars.
as far as the Cat engine in a GM, im not sure where that rumor started, but I hear people talking about it a lot and it really confuses me. Becuase GM owns the dmax company (its not isuzu, its its own company, duramax ltd. and GM owns all of it and the rights to the engine) plant in ohio I dont see a Cat or any other diesel going into a GM HD truck any time soon. To be quite honest, I think its kind of the same thing with the IFS; its like 90% a name/chest thumping thing. Guys feel ashamed they have a silly japanese un-macho engine under their hood, so they want a BIG MACHO BALLSY BREAK DOWN WALLS DRINK MUD IN THEIR COFFEE WASH HANDS WITH BATTERY ACID engine name such as "Catterpilalr" under their hood. And their jealous of all you guys cause you got the awesome Cummins name under your hoods!
Thats where I think the rumors all start, yet no one actually thinks about the logistics of it/how it would work/is it even possible to fit a small Cat in, and also the fact that while obviously far from perfect, the dmax isnt a "half bad" engine and turned out better than GM's previous diesels...and International's VT365!
now....as with all my posts, thats just my own oppinion as I do not intend to be "that troll jack@$$" because I myself cant stand those people. I just wanted to put my oppinion on the table for discussion as something different from a different view.....(flame suit is standing by! )
ben
So therein lies the basis of maybe 75-80% of the oppinions of the GM HD IFS. All of the big three trucks have flaws, I will NEVER say that my beloved GM is perfect!
The fuel tank is too small, the stock tires are the stupidest things ive ever seen, ALL of the intermediate shafts CLUNK until they are replaced or regreased, the injectors suck on the first gen Dmax's, the trucks sit LOW to the ground and even the 4x4's have a silly RAKE to them from the factory, the transfer cases (NP263) have the dreaded "pump-rubbing a hole in the case" problem, the NSBU switches on the very early Allison's crapped out, the drivers seat memory function is retarded 90% of the time, and the parking brake sucks. BUT!!!! I will not include the IFS as one of the trucks problem area's. Its kind of like the whole dmax aluminum heads blowing head gasket things. In 99% of situations, aluminum heads on a diesel is stupid and will never work and will result in blown head gaskets right and left. People see that and draw their own conclusions. Left at stock height I feel the GM IFS is surprisingly durable and more up to the task than most people think it is. Becuase it "is" IFS, it doesnt really get the credit it might deserve. When the GMT-900 (next generation) trucks were first starting to be talked about the big hubbub going around was "maybe it will have a solid front axle!!". Personally I didnt care whether it did or not, Id much rather see them fix other areas of the trucks before they mess with the suspension. For me and many other people, the IFS works, so why mess with it? Now of course the stock tie rods ARE a joke!!! But, sleeve them with SuperDiesel's tie rod sleeves, and with the bars not cranked the hell out of, the setup is strong IMHO. Mine has dozens and dozens of boosted 4wd launches on it, the two dmax's running 10's havent broken anything (except No Limit did break their stock 131,000 mile motor on the second 10 second pass! ).One of my buddies (cummins guy, hes got an 02 Ram) bought a cheap 1988 beater chevy that he put 35's on, cranked the hell out of the tbars and hacked the fenders (no lift), and beat the crap out of the thing off road. We took it off jumps and had the front end 2 feet in the air, and one jump had such a steep approach angle that the first time he hit the upsloap at 45 mph (350 TBI had no more power! haha), it pushed the bumper back a couple inches, creased out the fenders and buckled the hood a bit. We tried so hard to break that IFS, the steering box took a beating and got so worn out, the 4x4 had to be permanently engaed with a rod jammed in the thermal actuator spot, but somehow we didnt break anything! I honestly went in each time we off roaded it expecting to break something, I wasnt even a full beleiver in the IFS until we put that truck thru everything...it was so fun beating the crap out of it...at the end of the school year he sold it for 375 dollars.
as far as the Cat engine in a GM, im not sure where that rumor started, but I hear people talking about it a lot and it really confuses me. Becuase GM owns the dmax company (its not isuzu, its its own company, duramax ltd. and GM owns all of it and the rights to the engine) plant in ohio I dont see a Cat or any other diesel going into a GM HD truck any time soon. To be quite honest, I think its kind of the same thing with the IFS; its like 90% a name/chest thumping thing. Guys feel ashamed they have a silly japanese un-macho engine under their hood, so they want a BIG MACHO BALLSY BREAK DOWN WALLS DRINK MUD IN THEIR COFFEE WASH HANDS WITH BATTERY ACID engine name such as "Catterpilalr" under their hood. And their jealous of all you guys cause you got the awesome Cummins name under your hoods!
Thats where I think the rumors all start, yet no one actually thinks about the logistics of it/how it would work/is it even possible to fit a small Cat in, and also the fact that while obviously far from perfect, the dmax isnt a "half bad" engine and turned out better than GM's previous diesels...and International's VT365!
now....as with all my posts, thats just my own oppinion as I do not intend to be "that troll jack@$$" because I myself cant stand those people. I just wanted to put my oppinion on the table for discussion as something different from a different view.....(flame suit is standing by!
)ben
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Originally Posted by ajpulley
I love my truck for the most part. I'd still like to lock-out overdrive.
just curious, does anyone make any sort of stand-alone TCM for the 48re? Is there any sort of custom tuning/programs for it? I agree that Id hate to not have OD lockout. The bigger turbo spools slower than my stock turbo, and if I were to press the pedal down hard enough to induce a downshift, id smoke out everyone behind me which I dont like to do. Makes it easier just to click the ODLO, then let the trans downshift under no power, then roll into it.
does the 48re TC unlock on decel like the 47re's? First time I drove my buddy's 02 Cummins I let off the accellerator on the highway and wasnt used to the engine going down to idle until you accellerate again and give the TC a split second to lock up again.
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Originally Posted by duratothemax
...but I cant help but think that SOME of those hated views are based purely on (dare i say) ignorance, lack of experience, and unsupported "gut feelings"...
However, when I made a statement about the IFS in a one ton, I meant it and I believe I have researched enough to come to my conclusions about IFS vs. solid front axles.
I've been into Jeeps for, well, I don't know how long. I have studied intensely the debate between IFS and solid axles in four wheel drives in general, let alone in heavy duty pickups. I have even tried a few off-road. Up until Diamler-Benz bought Chrysler, the Jeep engineers used solid axles in most all the Jeeps intended to see off-road conditions for many reasons.
For me, a solid axle is for no better purpose than off-road where articulation is necessary, and for brute strength. I will concede, the original Humvee has done very well with its IFS. However, it was a result of many other factors not found in the typical IFSs found in any of the usual civilian vehicles. I have still seen proof in many conditions that I would still prefer a solid axle.
Many of us have studied the difference. Many have not. Many make their own decisions, and many follow the crowd. In any case, does it really matter if each of us really "knows" the difference? No, really, does it? Half of the marketing strategies out there are about making the buyer feel good about what they are purchasing and building up a "trust". So, with that said, as long as everyone feels comfortable with their solid axles, and trusts the security it brings them, then does it really matter? I don't think so.
But, for those of us who based our decisions on two factors (those being the engine and the front axle), I think it's safe to say some of us in deed have done our homework. I studied these trucks for three years before I bought mine. I will never, ever, under any circumstances purchase a pickup truck without a solid front axle. Nor will I ever invest any money into a Jeep that doesn't have one. Am I wrong? Sure, that's possible. Do I care? Mmm... not really.
Nevertheless, opinion is a gift of our founding fore-fathers and each and every one of us were meant to exercise it.
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I am not invested in any particular brand loyalty. I bought the 04.5 Cummins because my brother in law owned the dealership and I qualified for a family/employees discount. At 25000 miles I am totally satisfied with my Dodge. No service issues, no complaints. I just finished a road trip to Lander, WY to Denver and back in head wind, side wind, tail wind, rain, and perfect weather (typical Wyoming driving) and got 20 and change for fuel economy. I like the low end torque. It has plenty of acceleration and drives comfortably for long distances. It is completely stock. I have no criticism of the Duramax. I just have not had any experience with that product.
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I recently had my 05 2500 stolen, so I was in the market for a replacement....I too was torn between a GMC and a Dodge....my thoughts, and why I bought an 06 Dodge 2500
Looks: Dodge by a wide margin. GMC has a honda accord ride height and is dated...
Durability: I have no experience with the GMC, but I've had 3 Dodges and they've all held up excellent for years and 100k's of mileage....it appears the 48RE is pretty reliable and the cummins is a no brainer on durability
Lift: You can get a dodge with 4.10's which are much better for 35" tires....a chevy is stuck with 3.73's and I cant imagine the rpm at 60mph if you had 35" tires....Dodge is also cheaper to lift
Options: Wanted the uConnect, Tires larger than 245's, Power Sliding rear window....liked the GMC Driver Info Center, Bose stereo
Warranty: Dodge = 5/100 on Motor....chevy = 3/36....but I did like my 05 7/100 full powertrain much better....but now I have an excuse to beef up the tranny and not worry about warranty
Motor: I dont tow, so I liked the LBZ / Allison Combo for hauling a$$....but the dodge has more low end, haul's plenty of A$$ and the smallest perf box can exceed the stock LBZ numbers....
In the end, I thought to myself, I had a smile everytime I drove my 05, loved everything about it (except 48re shift algorithms), and had full confidence that the entire package would last the 8-10 years I planned on keeping it!
Good luck on your decision, I dont really think you can go wrong either way....flip a coin or follow your heart!
Looks: Dodge by a wide margin. GMC has a honda accord ride height and is dated...
Durability: I have no experience with the GMC, but I've had 3 Dodges and they've all held up excellent for years and 100k's of mileage....it appears the 48RE is pretty reliable and the cummins is a no brainer on durability
Lift: You can get a dodge with 4.10's which are much better for 35" tires....a chevy is stuck with 3.73's and I cant imagine the rpm at 60mph if you had 35" tires....Dodge is also cheaper to lift
Options: Wanted the uConnect, Tires larger than 245's, Power Sliding rear window....liked the GMC Driver Info Center, Bose stereo
Warranty: Dodge = 5/100 on Motor....chevy = 3/36....but I did like my 05 7/100 full powertrain much better....but now I have an excuse to beef up the tranny and not worry about warranty
Motor: I dont tow, so I liked the LBZ / Allison Combo for hauling a$$....but the dodge has more low end, haul's plenty of A$$ and the smallest perf box can exceed the stock LBZ numbers....
In the end, I thought to myself, I had a smile everytime I drove my 05, loved everything about it (except 48re shift algorithms), and had full confidence that the entire package would last the 8-10 years I planned on keeping it!
Good luck on your decision, I dont really think you can go wrong either way....flip a coin or follow your heart!
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Originally Posted by packard8
Ditto....before I bought the Dodge I shopped both Chebby & GMC D-max's. They were about $3-4K more than a Ram with similar options.
I agree, when I bought my 03 3500 ctd, they were 8k more basic setup. after I tinted windows, bug guard, rocker panels, spray in liner, camper jacks and change tires still was ahead 6k. final bill was 32k and change. I went in there 100% I was buying a duromax GMC. walked out 8 hours latter with CTD. couldn't be happier, minus my air leak.