I and my truck like the wally world 2 stroke. We don't like PS at all. Howes meaner cleaner every once in while and that's it.

 

I told you a couple of months ago you don't need it. Just good old clean fresh #2. Works everytime.

Oh, I almost left out. Work the darn thing, it likes it......

 

Spooler, I DO work the crap put of it!!! It tows a big horse trailer every weekend long and steady! LOL

 

I thought that you were going out a while back and not use any additives. Did ya?

 

If you're concerned about lube and must use something to make you feel better, I go with the 2 srtoke oil. I'ts meant to burn and lacks all of the harsh chemicals found in most of the other stuff. I just run good fuel,nothing more.
I feel like the whole ulsd has been blown way out of proportion. The proper amounts of lube DO get put into EVERY load of diesel when it's loaded on the truck. This is done via a computer that controls the loading of a truck. The adds are monitored by this computer. If the adds stop being injected the computer aborts the load and you CAN NOT bypass to resume the load. The driver must contact the loader (man in charge of loading rack for that shift). He will come and try to fix the problem, sometimes you must move to a different bay to finish the load. When the load is finished you drive to a gaurd shack to get the bill of lading for your load. On the bill are the amounts of adds that where injected. There is a chart hanging in the shack with a list of amounts allowable per load size. If the numbers on the bill of lading don't fall within the range of what the chart says....you go nowhere! If you do leave and deliver the load you're personally held responsible for your mistake. Maybe fired,must help pump the bad fuel back out of the sevice stations tank on your own time. ALOT of people check that bill to make sure the loads correct. Driver,station attendant, dispatch,accounting, and finally the big boss. There are several reasons that the adds are taken so seriously. Branding rights,epa, and can get heavy fines for not selling whats being advertised! What I'm getting at is there are adds in EVERY load of fuel part of it being the much needed lube. The company I drove for had a fleet of about 30 trucks, mostly late model Pete's,VERY nice rides! We burned the same fuel that we delivered with no problems. Those trucks run 24/7 with no fuel related problems and with nothing extra dumped in the tanks. I'm not a pro on add packs and such but I know how they're added and monitored. I can say though that I have been around large fleets of large trucks that NEVER stop and the ulsd hasn't killed them yet! Moral of the story is I don't need no stinkin' adds, waste of money IMO.

 

Roperteacher where did ya go? I know you work the pudding out of your truck pulling that hay burner trailer. So do I with mine. The work comment was for other folks. I beat the clatter stays away. Mine did when I quit using additives.

 

I use PS/MMO about every 4 or 5 tanks and 2-stroke (1oz per gal ratio) in each tank. I figure improved lubricity and lower cost than PS every tank makes the 2-stroke worthwhile. Is it doing any good? The truck idles smoother and quieter, but ask me in another 100K or so if my Cp3 is still alive, that will be the true test...

 

I stopped using the Additives for a while then was turned on to Howes as it was supposed to be one of the FEW additives that has absolutely no solvents. Lucas worked pretty good too. But I am going to run a couple tanks with none this time and see what happens. From what I read on here, there is a lot of these 07 5.9's that have the clatter.

 

The add additive or not discussion inevitably becomes the same as a political or religous debate. The ones that believe in additives will use them, the ones that don't won't. The evidence for and against are never scientifically or documentary conclusive enough to sway more than the fence sitters. Fuel additives are probably close to a billion dollar industry so the marketing power is strong, but I never saw an add that said I should use PS/MMO mix in my Cummis diesel. The recommendations came from old timers that have many more years experience with diesels than I do. I tried it and think that it made a difference. Which brand is somewhat superfulous as most are made up of the same ingredients and claim the same functions.

It does make for a lot of interactive threads on many forums.

 

You might want to take a look at the test data in this study quoted on another site. All the additives were tested using the standard 4 ball wear test. While PS gives a slight improvement in the test, MMO actually decreases the lubricity of the fuel. Mixing the two 50/50 would give almost no improvement, at least in lubricity. I switched to the Opti Lube Summer blend. At the lowest dosage it meets the European lube standards for diesel (higher than the US standard) even if no lubricant additives are put in the base fuel.
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=177728

 

Does anybody use good ole'fashioned petroleum based atf anymore?

 

That stuff is bad news.....

So, has anybody seen any kind of testing on the diesel fuel itself that can back up the claims that it has plenty of lubing qualities already? Something like that might help sway some of our opinions on additives....

 

I ran PS for a while, then I tried no additives. After some time I had white smoke at startup, and as I stated earlier - I tried several different additives and made a trip to the dealer to try and fix the problem. My first tank of adding 2 stroke I saw a difference and the engine was way smoother. Maybe No2 does have enough lube, but per who's requirements ? I know my truck likes a little more, and it cost maybe a $1 per fill.

 

Roper, based on the only information you gave, I'm going to go with I think the 700 mile trip did more for your clatter than the lack of additive.

Whenever I go on a decent trip and get the engine (and injectors) hot for a good while, my truck always drives smoother and just overall better. FWIW, MHO.

 

I've never used a drop of additive in any of my trucks ...

500k miles later no fuel related problems ...

with the money i've saved i could buy a used p-pumped motor