Need help, I'm leaking fuel
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I'm 99.9% sure its the electrical fitting since everything above that, on or around the lift pump is dry.
This truck has 122k on it and this is first problem I've had out of the stock lift pump. I'm having a hard time deciding weather to just replace it or go ahead and upgrade in some way? If this were my jeep it would be an easy decision
Your opinion is appreciated.
This truck has 122k on it and this is first problem I've had out of the stock lift pump. I'm having a hard time deciding weather to just replace it or go ahead and upgrade in some way? If this were my jeep it would be an easy decision
Your opinion is appreciated.
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ULSD Causing You Trouble Yet?
LEAKY SEALS & ULSD (Chevron Products Company Tech Bulletin)
BREIF INTRO...
Some vehicle owners, who recently began using the new EPA regulated ultra low sulfur (S15) diesel fuel, report that their vehicles have developed fuel leaks. This problem is not exclusive to one engine type, one fuel type, or one geographic region. It can affect some engines that are older than ten years, but some newer ones have experienced the problem as well. The reoccurrence of these fuel leaks could become widespread geographically when the majority of fuel supplies are switched to S15. However, it is "anticipated" that only a very small fraction of the vehicles may be affected. Of course it can be serious for owners whose vehicles are affected. The evidence to date suggests the problem is linked to a change in the aromatics content of the S15 ultra low sulfur diesel fuel, to [O-RING] seal material and age of the material.
HINDESIGHT'S 20/20
Similar occurrences were reported in the early 1990’s when low sulfur fuel (S500) was introduced. The leaks in the 1990’s occurred at points where elastomers (O-rings) are used to seal joints in the fuel system. In October 1993, the 1990 Clean Air Act Amendments required diesel fuel for “on highway” vehicles contain no more than 0.05 percent sulfur by weight. Before this, diesel fuel typically contained 0.2 to 0.4 percent sulfur by weight. Reports of fuel system seal leaks surfaced shortly after the introduction of the then new fuel designated as S500. Affected components were mostly fuel pumps and injectors. During the 1993-94 period, the most common occurrences were injector fuel pump leaks. (Elastomer O-RING failures in the 1990’s were addressed by a California Governor’s Task Force. For an online copy go to: ftp://ftp.arb.ca.gov/carbis/reports/l63 9.pdf)
HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF
Starting June 2006, refineries will be required to produce diesel fuel with a much lower sulfur level (15 ppm) than was contained in S500 (500 ppm). The new fuel is commonly known as ULTRA LOW SULFUR FUEL designated as S15 by the ASTM standard D 975. As noted earlier in some areas where this new S15 fuel has been introduced ahead of schedule, some occurrences of similar fuel leaks have been reported. Should further elastomer (O-RING) failures occur, they are expected to be sporadic. Seals in some vehicles may fail while similar seals in other vehicles using the same fuel may not. Past experience indicates that the common denominator is expected to be nitrile rubber (Buna N) seals that have seen long service at high temperatures. High temperatures have a tendency to accelerate seal aging. The reduction in sulfur content is not responsible for the problem.
Two explanations have been offered to explain the sudden occurrence of seal failures:
1) The new S15 fuels are expected to contain lower levels of aromatics. The change from a higher to a lower aromatics fuel can cause seals to shrink. Aged seals, which do not have the elasticity to adapt to this change, appear to fail sooner.
2) Some of the new S15 fuels are expected to be more susceptible to oxidation. The resulting oxidation products (peroxides) could attack the seal material and cause it to prematurely age.
Fuel additives do not appear to be a solution, since they do not change the aromatics content of the fuel. The seal failure is not related to fuel lubricity. Lubricity affects wear of metal parts. There is no relationship between the fuel lubricity level and elastomer (O-RING) failures. Currently all fuels in the U.S. must meet a minimum lubricity level.
RECOMENDATIONS
If you have a diesel fuel system that is leaking, Chevron recommends that you contact your equipment manufacturer for advice on the choice of a replacement elastomer for the seals and future maintenance schedule. Newly replaced seals should not develop a leak.If you have not experienced this problem, you still may wish to consult your equipment manufacturer about a maintenance schedule for your aged nitrile rubber (Buna N) seals and manufacturer’s experience with lower aromatics (ULSD) diesel. Another recommendation is to add at least some (depends on how much you are comfortable adding) BioDiesel to your diesel tank at every fill up to keep those seals nice & plump since BioDiesel does contains aromatics which swell older types of O-rings.
BREIF INTRO...
Some vehicle owners, who recently began using the new EPA regulated ultra low sulfur (S15) diesel fuel, report that their vehicles have developed fuel leaks. This problem is not exclusive to one engine type, one fuel type, or one geographic region. It can affect some engines that are older than ten years, but some newer ones have experienced the problem as well. The reoccurrence of these fuel leaks could become widespread geographically when the majority of fuel supplies are switched to S15. However, it is "anticipated" that only a very small fraction of the vehicles may be affected. Of course it can be serious for owners whose vehicles are affected. The evidence to date suggests the problem is linked to a change in the aromatics content of the S15 ultra low sulfur diesel fuel, to [O-RING] seal material and age of the material.
HINDESIGHT'S 20/20
Similar occurrences were reported in the early 1990’s when low sulfur fuel (S500) was introduced. The leaks in the 1990’s occurred at points where elastomers (O-rings) are used to seal joints in the fuel system. In October 1993, the 1990 Clean Air Act Amendments required diesel fuel for “on highway” vehicles contain no more than 0.05 percent sulfur by weight. Before this, diesel fuel typically contained 0.2 to 0.4 percent sulfur by weight. Reports of fuel system seal leaks surfaced shortly after the introduction of the then new fuel designated as S500. Affected components were mostly fuel pumps and injectors. During the 1993-94 period, the most common occurrences were injector fuel pump leaks. (Elastomer O-RING failures in the 1990’s were addressed by a California Governor’s Task Force. For an online copy go to: ftp://ftp.arb.ca.gov/carbis/reports/l63 9.pdf)
HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF
Starting June 2006, refineries will be required to produce diesel fuel with a much lower sulfur level (15 ppm) than was contained in S500 (500 ppm). The new fuel is commonly known as ULTRA LOW SULFUR FUEL designated as S15 by the ASTM standard D 975. As noted earlier in some areas where this new S15 fuel has been introduced ahead of schedule, some occurrences of similar fuel leaks have been reported. Should further elastomer (O-RING) failures occur, they are expected to be sporadic. Seals in some vehicles may fail while similar seals in other vehicles using the same fuel may not. Past experience indicates that the common denominator is expected to be nitrile rubber (Buna N) seals that have seen long service at high temperatures. High temperatures have a tendency to accelerate seal aging. The reduction in sulfur content is not responsible for the problem.
Two explanations have been offered to explain the sudden occurrence of seal failures:
1) The new S15 fuels are expected to contain lower levels of aromatics. The change from a higher to a lower aromatics fuel can cause seals to shrink. Aged seals, which do not have the elasticity to adapt to this change, appear to fail sooner.
2) Some of the new S15 fuels are expected to be more susceptible to oxidation. The resulting oxidation products (peroxides) could attack the seal material and cause it to prematurely age.
Fuel additives do not appear to be a solution, since they do not change the aromatics content of the fuel. The seal failure is not related to fuel lubricity. Lubricity affects wear of metal parts. There is no relationship between the fuel lubricity level and elastomer (O-RING) failures. Currently all fuels in the U.S. must meet a minimum lubricity level.
RECOMENDATIONS
If you have a diesel fuel system that is leaking, Chevron recommends that you contact your equipment manufacturer for advice on the choice of a replacement elastomer for the seals and future maintenance schedule. Newly replaced seals should not develop a leak.If you have not experienced this problem, you still may wish to consult your equipment manufacturer about a maintenance schedule for your aged nitrile rubber (Buna N) seals and manufacturer’s experience with lower aromatics (ULSD) diesel. Another recommendation is to add at least some (depends on how much you are comfortable adding) BioDiesel to your diesel tank at every fill up to keep those seals nice & plump since BioDiesel does contains aromatics which swell older types of O-rings.
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GDP-392 kit and get rid of the stock pump all together. You could even add the 2 micron filter setup and help the truck.
The kits come with everything you need to install it if you are the do it yourself type.
I would give you a hand if you were closer. I did mine and it reallly wasn't that bad to do.
Good Luck..
The kits come with everything you need to install it if you are the do it yourself type.
I would give you a hand if you were closer. I did mine and it reallly wasn't that bad to do.
Good Luck..
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I had a similar problem at 120k. Turned out I had two of my hose clamps (Vulcan big line kit) loosen up on me. Vibration maybe....I'm not sure - but tightened up down again and no problems since.
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Really frustrated now. I drove the truck a few miles today and its not leaking now. Truck runs fine and no codes. I'm afraid the lp might be dead
and I guess I'll be ordering a FASS tommorrow.
and I guess I'll be ordering a FASS tommorrow.
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The banjo bolts are a straight thread. So, replace the washers. They are about a buck a piece or less from Cummins.
They should be 12mm.
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You might want to take advantage of the AirDog special pricing right now.
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www.pureflowtechnologies.com
or if you want to go to the main page of DTR there is a link on the right hand side about the middle of the page. Take care!!
or if you want to go to the main page of DTR there is a link on the right hand side about the middle of the page. Take care!!
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you might want to check the return fuel line that runs from the ip back to the fuel tank.. I just replaced mine cause it started leaking.. this line takes a beating cause it gets hot when truck is running then cools. im guessing the constant expanding and contrating kill it over time.. The deal actually had it in stock... $81.00.. 
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