New tires and wheels, now noise from drivers side wheel
Ok, thanks. I will look into that. I hate to get into new brakes for the front, cause it leads to so many other things: rotors turned, new bearings, races, grease, etc. Now that I'm back to work, time is not on my side. I wanted to save for new brakes and bearings when I do the king pin and u joints on the axles. Plus, my pads still have a lot of life on them. So what do I ask the counter guy for, this rubbery goo? I do have raybestos brake pad high heat grease, which I apply on the caliper slides.
No one has answered my inquiry about what signs are for bearing failure. What are the noises, symptoms?
No one has answered my inquiry about what signs are for bearing failure. What are the noises, symptoms?
Ok, thanks. I will look into that. I hate to get into new brakes for the front, cause it leads to so many other things: rotors turned, new bearings, races, grease, etc. Now that I'm back to work, time is not on my side. I wanted to save for new brakes and bearings when I do the king pin and u joints on the axles. Plus, my pads still have a lot of life on them. So what do I ask the counter guy for, this rubbery goo? I do have raybestos brake pad high heat grease, which I apply on the caliper slides.
No one has answered my inquiry about what signs are for bearing failure. What are the noises, symptoms?
No one has answered my inquiry about what signs are for bearing failure. What are the noises, symptoms?
1. GROWLING while driving. (Very unlikely, BTW, unless water infiltrated the hub or the bearings were pre-loaded too tight)
2. disassembled hub, wipe the bearings clean with a rag and inspect the rollers and seat in the hub. No pitting, no burnishing, nice shiny bearing surfaces ???? Bearings are good. Pitting, chipping, burnt surfaces of the rollers, bearings need replacing (and races) as both require changing at the same time.
Otherwise, if all is shiny and new, clean out the hub with mineral spirits, brake clean the hub out, wipe it dry, (same with the bearings) and repack with new, fresh grease, and a new wiper seal for the hub.
The parts store has the goo called Disc Brake quiet, but to me I would simply put the wagners in there, and turn the rotors, but to each his own.
Thanks, T. Think I'm going to pull the calipers off first and see what's up with the looseness of the pad and check out what to do with that pad metal thst is no longer attached to the pad. Will report findings and results of the noise. Thnx
Update on this dilemma: I decided to take my truck back to the tire shop, to have my original wheels put back on. The tech first took it for a drive, as he left I could hear that harmonic noise as he drove of, and when he pulled back into the lot, applied the brake, the whine was more apparent. When he came to a halt, the harmonic noise was still a whining, but the moment he put it in park, truck still idling, the noise stopped.
So, at this point, everyone at the shop says it's not the wheels. He pulled the drivers side off, where the sound is coming from, and no scuff marks or anything on the calipers, and he also checked the dust shield. No findings. I watched him try to wiggle the tire while it was jacked up for bad bearings, and tire was tight- no wiggle movement, and hub was cool to the touch.
My plan, if the noise continues after my original wheels get put on, is to pull that caliper and check on the suggestions that TMan and JMartin offered up. Really at a lose on this one.
The tech seems to think its engine related, like pulley bearing or something. Wonder if my 4 month old fan clutch bearing I put on is now going south. If it was that, wouldn't the noise continue even if thrown in Park with truck running?
So, at this point, everyone at the shop says it's not the wheels. He pulled the drivers side off, where the sound is coming from, and no scuff marks or anything on the calipers, and he also checked the dust shield. No findings. I watched him try to wiggle the tire while it was jacked up for bad bearings, and tire was tight- no wiggle movement, and hub was cool to the touch.
My plan, if the noise continues after my original wheels get put on, is to pull that caliper and check on the suggestions that TMan and JMartin offered up. Really at a lose on this one.
The tech seems to think its engine related, like pulley bearing or something. Wonder if my 4 month old fan clutch bearing I put on is now going south. If it was that, wouldn't the noise continue even if thrown in Park with truck running?
What is the difference, as far as the style and which application it calls for, between these two lug nuts? My original wheels use the one on the left, the wheels given to me use the right one. Just want to know for my personal knowledge. Is the flare ones better?
Ok, guys, thanks for chiming in with valuable tips to check on. Had a local Goodyear shop check things for me, so here is my update:
Had the manager pull that drivers side wheel off. Let me back up...the manager had one of his techs take it for a spin, and as he left I could here the whining howl. When he get back in the Goodyear parking lot, which was a long narrow strip, he punches it and slams on the brakes, and man that noise is getting worse. It even whines now slightly at a stop, while in Drive. The minute you pop it in park or neutral, sound goes away. I'm starting to wonder, last week when I almost got run over when I popped the driveline off to tighten up the transfer case yoke nut(I posted this situation elsewhere. Stoopid move, as I did not chock the wheels, and I was under the truck with the truck pointed slightly uphill)in a panic I tossed the driveline on top of the transfer case yoke and got my fat butt out from the rolling truck. I had marked the yoke to driveline so as to reassemble everything in sync. In my hurry to get out from the truck, I believe the sharpie marks smudged off, and at re assembly, I did my best to "remember" how the driveline reconnected back onto the yoke. That was on a Wednesday. Went to work the rest of the week, and drove 200 miles home on Friday night, and to my buddy's tire shop Saturday. No noise at all. None. It's been after the new wheels and tires that that sound came about, and is getting worse.
Now back to the tech's findings: inner, stick on wheel weights are clear of the calipers, the calipers are clear of the wheels. Not a scratch mark on either the wheel or the caliper, to show signs of rubbing issues. So, that's good. Tech and manager seem to think its transmission or axle related. All fluids in diff and tranny are only a few miles old, and fluids are up to level, so that is out. I inquired maybe my bearings on drivers side hub, but the noise is there even with the truck at a stop, in drive. Gone when in N or P. Reverse brings it(noise) on, too, but only slightly. Sheezz!
So, I can see TMans theory... That bent backing plate could be vibrating with the engine in gear, at a stop, couldn't it? Is that a simple fix? Procedure? What do you all think with my update diagnosis?
Had the manager pull that drivers side wheel off. Let me back up...the manager had one of his techs take it for a spin, and as he left I could here the whining howl. When he get back in the Goodyear parking lot, which was a long narrow strip, he punches it and slams on the brakes, and man that noise is getting worse. It even whines now slightly at a stop, while in Drive. The minute you pop it in park or neutral, sound goes away. I'm starting to wonder, last week when I almost got run over when I popped the driveline off to tighten up the transfer case yoke nut(I posted this situation elsewhere. Stoopid move, as I did not chock the wheels, and I was under the truck with the truck pointed slightly uphill)in a panic I tossed the driveline on top of the transfer case yoke and got my fat butt out from the rolling truck. I had marked the yoke to driveline so as to reassemble everything in sync. In my hurry to get out from the truck, I believe the sharpie marks smudged off, and at re assembly, I did my best to "remember" how the driveline reconnected back onto the yoke. That was on a Wednesday. Went to work the rest of the week, and drove 200 miles home on Friday night, and to my buddy's tire shop Saturday. No noise at all. None. It's been after the new wheels and tires that that sound came about, and is getting worse.
Now back to the tech's findings: inner, stick on wheel weights are clear of the calipers, the calipers are clear of the wheels. Not a scratch mark on either the wheel or the caliper, to show signs of rubbing issues. So, that's good. Tech and manager seem to think its transmission or axle related. All fluids in diff and tranny are only a few miles old, and fluids are up to level, so that is out. I inquired maybe my bearings on drivers side hub, but the noise is there even with the truck at a stop, in drive. Gone when in N or P. Reverse brings it(noise) on, too, but only slightly. Sheezz!
So, I can see TMans theory... That bent backing plate could be vibrating with the engine in gear, at a stop, couldn't it? Is that a simple fix? Procedure? What do you all think with my update diagnosis?
the answer is right the second to last paragraph. "the noise is there even with truck at a stop, in drive. gone in N or P . reverse brings it (noise)on, too, but only slightly. Sheezz!" if the noise is there while stopped,in D or R, the cause is NOT in the wheel, brake caliper,dust shield, wheel bearing, drive shaft or transfer case. the noise has to be in the transmission, probably the torque converter or flex plate. with the engine running, and trans in P or N there`s no load on the torq converter or flex plate, so NO noise. drop it in D or R and now there`s a load on the flex plate and torq converter. you need to check if the flex plate is cracked. take the little tin plate off the bottom of the bell housing and look up there to see if it is cracked. if it is not cracked, then chock all the wheels, set the parking brake, and have a helper put the trans in drive while you are under the truck and listen with a short piece of heater hose, if the noise is coming from the torq converter or flex plate area.the early trucks had a small problem with cracked flex plates and dodge/Cummins changed the flex plate ( I think with the P7100 engines) some one can shed more light on when that took place. that`s my take on your problem. Butch
OK, update after checks and fix attempts that were suggested on here: took front caliper off on the DS, cleaned off all slide areas and did an overall inspection of the thing. Cleaned off the inner and outer pads, and both metal shims were no longer bonded to the pad, so in the trash they went. I applied that rubbery CRC stuff that JMartin suggested, and TMan posted a pic of. Reapplied the high heat goo on the caliper slides and remounted everything back. By the way, both brake pads were wearing even thruout. Have about 7/16 of material left on both inner and outer.
Took truck for a spin. Sound is still there, but slight.
Now, being a believer in JMartins theory, meaning that whatever suddenly arises is probably a result of what was recently done, I re installed my driveline at the transfer case yoke, spinning it 180 degrees, cause I had a suspicion I reinstalled it wrong a week and a half ago.
Took it for a spin, and now sound is slight and doesn't come on as often, but if you were in the car next to me as I pulled up to the light you would hear that noise. The re install of the driveline helped a lot though.
I've checked the bearings by doing the push and tug thing on the tire, all is tight. I've taken it to a local high school parking lot and did figure eights and no sounds. Sound is there at braking and leaving after coming to a stop.
As far as flex plate, which I hope it's not, I have no noise at all coming from under the hump in the cab. I have cracked a FP before, and sound was like marbles in a tin can and increased with acceleration.
Stumped, man, with this one. Wondering if I should drive it to San Jose 4 hours away this afternoon.
Should I have installed a new caliper wedge and spring? Starting to wonder about that
Took truck for a spin. Sound is still there, but slight.
Now, being a believer in JMartins theory, meaning that whatever suddenly arises is probably a result of what was recently done, I re installed my driveline at the transfer case yoke, spinning it 180 degrees, cause I had a suspicion I reinstalled it wrong a week and a half ago.
Took it for a spin, and now sound is slight and doesn't come on as often, but if you were in the car next to me as I pulled up to the light you would hear that noise. The re install of the driveline helped a lot though.
I've checked the bearings by doing the push and tug thing on the tire, all is tight. I've taken it to a local high school parking lot and did figure eights and no sounds. Sound is there at braking and leaving after coming to a stop.
As far as flex plate, which I hope it's not, I have no noise at all coming from under the hump in the cab. I have cracked a FP before, and sound was like marbles in a tin can and increased with acceleration.
Stumped, man, with this one. Wondering if I should drive it to San Jose 4 hours away this afternoon.
Should I have installed a new caliper wedge and spring? Starting to wonder about that
I wouldn't drive it that far until I knew for sure what the noise is. Every time I ignore something like that it bites me in the worst possible place.(like in traffic in a really narrow spot) and when it doesn't I worry the whole trip.
I can't tell by the picture but if the taper at the wheel end is the same the length is for just for looks. If not different wheel makers use different nut designs for various reasons. most often it just amounts to the preference of the designer.
I'm wondering if when I'm braking the caliper is rattling around? Or engine vibration is causing the caliper to rattle from its perch? Man, getting desperate here
Thanks, Mark. My original rims are back on, and use those ones to the left. The lug nut to the right, being 2" in length, was needed cause the wheels my buddy gave me had really thick mid section area. Was just wondering about the cone type end vs the tapered end with a bulge(long one)
Thanks, Mark. My original rims are back on, and use those ones to the left. The lug nut to the right, being 2" in length, was needed cause the wheels my buddy gave me had really thick mid section area. Was just wondering about the cone type end vs the tapered end with a bulge(long one)
Going to Costco in Roseville, about a 45 minute drive for me. Going to get those brakes nice and warm, to see if it goes back to how bad it was. If it does, then truck is staying home and not making the 4 hour jaunt. Sure wish I knew what is causing that noise. Man I hope it's not the flexpllate. I put one in from a second gen back in 2010, as everyone said they were manufactured stouter than the first gen ones. That repair I will need 3 days to do






