1st Gen. Ram - All Topics Discussion for all Dodge Rams prior to 1994. This includes engine, drivetrain and non-drivetrain discussions. Anything prior to 1994 should go in here.

Head cracked

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Feb 21, 2013 | 08:57 AM
  #16  
rebal's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 3,899
Likes: 3
From: Yuba city Kalifornia
Originally Posted by 93-12Smoke
The non ic heads are even more prone to cracking due to the larger injector bore.
800,000 miles on my original head and before the de tune was seeing 50psi boost and a lot of high water temps from towing . I must of got a real good head or it seasoned well.
Reply
Old Feb 21, 2013 | 09:12 AM
  #17  
mhuppertz's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 4,053
Likes: 135
From: Tijeras, New Mexico, 7,000ft up
That is amazing.
Reply
Old Feb 21, 2013 | 09:34 AM
  #18  
j_martin's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 4,479
Likes: 211
From: Isanti, MN
Originally Posted by mhuppertz
The higher the cylinder pressure, the more the engine is trying to blow the head off the engine. Since there can't be a head bolt every inch, this causes stress between the bolts (made worse because only one cylinder at a time is firing). The injector holes are a big weakness in the structural rigidity of the head.
If you draw a picture and think about it, higher bolt strength and tightness will actually add to the stress at the injector port.
Reply
Old Feb 21, 2013 | 09:52 AM
  #19  
mhuppertz's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 4,053
Likes: 135
From: Tijeras, New Mexico, 7,000ft up
I disagree. If the head bolts flex around each cylinder as it hits, the head will bend and eventually crack. My head bolts were getting quite spongy and wouldn't torque anymore. My head was lifting and dumping antifreeze every time I got on it. The side of the block looks like a cave wall because so much coolant has run down it. It's completely my fault. I feel stupid, but live and learn.
Reply
Old Feb 22, 2013 | 05:49 PM
  #20  
Rick 12v CTD's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,591
Likes: 11
From: Thunder Bay
Originally Posted by mhuppertz
I disagree. If the head bolts flex around each cylinder as it hits, the head will bend and eventually crack. My head bolts were getting quite spongy and wouldn't torque anymore. My head was lifting and dumping antifreeze every time I got on it. The side of the block looks like a cave wall because so much coolant has run down it. It's completely my fault. I feel stupid, but live and learn.
ah don't worry about it. nobody is perfect. makes sense why it was cracked though

Originally Posted by mhuppertz
Look on PayBay, er, you know where I am talking about.
Fully loaded heads are listed for $465, I offered $430 and they took it right away. Should have started at $400!

On the cracks, if I had studded it before I put all my power adders on it might not have cracked. After at least 200K with 40psi was too much for the head bolts, and lifting the head probably flexed it enough to crack the heck out of it. I don't see how the 24 valve guys keep their heads together at all without studs.
are they genuine cummins heads?
Reply
Old Feb 22, 2013 | 05:58 PM
  #21  
mhuppertz's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 4,053
Likes: 135
From: Tijeras, New Mexico, 7,000ft up
No, not genuine Cummins, but probably practically the same. For me it was $430 (which I can barely afford) or $1,400 for Cummins, which I could not afford.
Reply
Old Feb 22, 2013 | 06:12 PM
  #22  
mhuppertz's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 4,053
Likes: 135
From: Tijeras, New Mexico, 7,000ft up
Could the head I bought be any worse than this?

Name:  2013-02-22133616_zpsf1ccc77f.jpg
Views: 183
Size:  82.1 KB

Name:  2013-02-22133623_zpsb2fe097d.jpg
Views: 186
Size:  92.6 KB
Reply
Old Feb 22, 2013 | 07:11 PM
  #23  
Rick 12v CTD's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,591
Likes: 11
From: Thunder Bay
wow seriously? that's pretty bad. that the old head? please tell me thats not the head you bought...

the cracks between the valves that i had were worse, but i didn't have nearly as many as that.
Reply
Old Feb 22, 2013 | 07:40 PM
  #24  
mhuppertz's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 4,053
Likes: 135
From: Tijeras, New Mexico, 7,000ft up
That's my old head. They magnifluxed it. There are more cracks that I will take pictures of.
Reply
Old Feb 23, 2013 | 05:12 PM
  #25  
Rick 12v CTD's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,591
Likes: 11
From: Thunder Bay
thats a lot of cracks...
Reply
Old Feb 23, 2013 | 05:31 PM
  #26  
mhuppertz's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 4,053
Likes: 135
From: Tijeras, New Mexico, 7,000ft up
The funny thing is had the head gasket not been leaking I might have continued to drive it for a long time not knowing they were cracked.
Reply
Old Feb 24, 2013 | 08:48 AM
  #27  
Exekiel69's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,159
Likes: 7
From: Maryland
While the topic is being discussed, please allow Me to ask a question.

I have a 89 non IC head, on mine and I don't ever run as high boost #'s as many of You since mine is only mildly tunned up and I try to keep it bellow 30psi. One day when the time comes to do a HG job on it and I where to find stress crack such as the ones You pictured, should I have them repair the head? The machine shop guy said they can weld the cracks on some heads hot tank them or something and re-use them I consider this as an option since the other option would be a IC head and smaller injectors I just want to keep the same one I have. Could You give Me some advise, thanks.
Reply
Old Feb 24, 2013 | 08:57 AM
  #28  
mhuppertz's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 4,053
Likes: 135
From: Tijeras, New Mexico, 7,000ft up
Once the head cracks into the seats it is junk.
Reply
Old Mar 20, 2013 | 12:21 PM
  #29  
thrub's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 394
Likes: 24
From: Luseland Sask.
Did you get the upper gasket set from flee bay also when you got the head?
Reply
Old Mar 20, 2013 | 12:22 PM
  #30  
mhuppertz's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 4,053
Likes: 135
From: Tijeras, New Mexico, 7,000ft up
No, got that from AutoZone. Nice set.
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:19 PM.