Well right now i am to the limit on fuel. it will be a little while before i can get another set of injectors. But i am looking, i am building tranny and turbo lift pump and such first. BUT i am lookin for a set of custom injectors. I was wondering what were some options. I live close to Columbuse Diesel Supply and EEP would they be able to make to stock injectors bigger. I am running PODs right now. Does anyone know of any options for bigger injectors for the first gens.

 

I'm also intrested in this. Personally (i don't know if its a fact or now) I think the stock injectors honed out with all the works and posibly getting someone to make bigger holes in the tip would be the best. But i really don't know anything about the internal workings of an injector and so on so I might not have a clue what im saying

 

i am also looking at this been thinking of having someone making bigger holes in the injectors but im so il wait until the experts come in it would be another cheap mod just need to no what sixe to drill

 

Well when you guys pull your POD's let me know. I'd be interested in them.

If you guys are at the limmit of the POD's you must be making some good power. Do you guys have enough turbo to support them with pump tweeks?

 

I am also looking for bigger injectors. I am thinking about hone 370's, because thats what stomp is running with 680hp. I don't know how much it would cost to get injectors honed but I will try to find out.

 

Sorry to ask such a dumb question but with huge injectors and big turbo's can you guys still safely pull 12K down the road?

 

As far as egts im gonna say yes ONLY if you have the right turbo setup though.

Its funny how all of us are talking about doing this but none of us really know the facts on it. The experts are probably watching over going look at these idiots

Im not at the limmit of pod's i still have couple more things to do but i know in the future i want something better so im just thinking about it now ahead of time. I don't even have the air for what I got now

 

thats why i am asking hopin some experts can lead me in the right way.

as for pullin with lots of fuel its ok as long as there is air and tranny their as well. this fall i was pullin waggons of corn out of the field and down the road with no problems i would pull across the scales at about 22000 lbs with truck and all. and i am making about 300 hp 730 tq.

As for air with me i need a bigger turbo i am jsut askin about injectors now because i want some info about what to do, either buy new and have them worked on to fit, or make stock bigger, or some crazy thing i have never heard about.

 

The highest Hp I have seen with a set of POD's is 373hp with a custom HX50 done by the one and only Pastor Bob. What is the potential of the POD's??? I think that is the big question. I have seen/read that in stock form POD's will flow roughly 10% more fuel that a stock 370. So with that in mind I have heard that you can make 600hp with a stock 370. From everyone’s sig you will see the majority of guys have a stock turbo or a hx35 or something. There are some guys out there with HX40's or an equivalent turbo maybe even twins. We need to find out what there numbers are. For the most part no one has enough air to support the full potential of POD's. I wish I had a set to try on the dyno just to get some data.

On the other hand you have to look at those who have gotten over 400 hp with a stock ve pump and you will see that every one of them have used some sort of custom injector. The only reason I have 370's was due to the fact I didn’t even know about POD's at the time and neither did my pump guys. This was back in 1999 maybe 2000. This was before I found all of this great info on the various diesel sites.

I will tell you this much when I ran a stock turbo (H1C/12) with my honed out 370's the most power I made on diesel only was 317hp. I added a HX40/16 and a new intake/exhaust I got 419hp, and I was still hitting 1600* on the pyro.

So when some of you guys get a different turbo or put twins on get some data for everyone. See what the POD's will do before you put in something else. I always thought bigger is better, but maybe it isn’t who knows. Just my 2cts.

I was talking about POD's with another DTR member and he is the one who brought Pastor Bobs numbers to my attention. He asked how many guys do you see that run POD's that have got over 400hp? I answered zero.

Stomp

 

The first thing I would ask myself before I dropped big bucks on custom sticks is this: Am I burning all the fuel I presently have? More often than not, for a mostly street driven truck, the answer will be no. Anything more than a slight haze at WOT indicates that a particular setup would benefit (HP-wise) from more air, rather than more fuel. Look at Wannadiesel's setup. Look at his sig--what's it say? Need more air! Other than owner-specific pump tweeks, there's a lot of folks at the HTT stage IV hybrid wall. With PODs and meth (heck, prolly even without meth) Dave is hitting the little 5.9 with more fuel that the hybrid can help burn. Plus, you can't directly compare the VE with that old school fixed timing p-pump thingamajiggy...with lower line pressures and lower overall fuel volume, we can't just bombard the engine with silly amounts of fuel to make our power...we need to finesse the VE...love the VE...coax the VE to have great street manners while still pulling enough timing on the big end to burn the fuel that we do have. You have all the timing benefits of a rotary pump (like the VP) yet with the simplicity and ruggedness of full mechanical injection. Admittedly, bigger sticks are impressive, and who isn't into the black cloud of impending doom?! Still, air management will yield the quicker truck in most cases, IMHO.

edit: Stomp, you beat me to it, and even said some of the same things---I feel kinda smart now

 

thank you you guys very much taht is what i am lookn for, right now i am looking for an hx-40 or a little bigger. smoke at full thortle is jsut a really slight haze so i am lookin for a new turbo then see what happes. Thanks i love this site

 

Well don’t put me in with the smart guys, because there are a lot of guys that know way more than me. Thanks for the compliment though.

I learn new things every day that’s the reason I am on here. One more thing to think about, I currently run 23* of timing checked by a light. When the KSB is hot it adds 4* of timing. When I checked it on a dyno I only gained 5hp by flipping the switch. I really don’t like the base timing that high so the timing advance that the pump provides is defiantly something for me to look into. I will be having another pump built shortly after the New Year and I will be modifying the piston that controls the timing advance.

Now with the KTA pump the KSB would add 56-64hp and I have the dyno sheets to prove it. I had the timing set at 19* and when the KSB was hot it would raise it 7* more.

The one thing I might warn you about if you do have the KSB hot it jacks up the case pressure along with raising the timing. It has been thought that this could be why I lost the KTA pump. With all of that pressure it superheats the fuel causing a lubrication issue = seized pump. We are not sure that this is the sole cause of it seizing so there are going to be some changes when the new pump is built.

Stomp

 

Hey Stomp, how come your KSB advance #'s are different for the KTA pump? Is it just built different?

 

I dont have an answer for that. It could be built a little different. It could also be a tolerance issue the pump that I have now is pretty worn out.

Stomp

 

Thanks A small detail, I know, but I was curious.